Is it on it's way? RRECS

[stingrayiii]

If you don’t mind me asking, what area/state is your office in? Thanks

I will just say southwest area. Where it stays warm all year round.
I don't want to be stepping on anyones toes and keep my life problem free as possible.

 

[stingrayiii]

Does working under evaluation mean you are too efficient and working over evaluation mean you are a slug? Does it matter about the increased work load? Mail flow? Who is working the route? The type of route? Amazon? Vehicle? Management thinks you are getting paid too much if under evaluation and paid enough if you are over? Can we choose hourly or evaluated? Pay system is obviously not a FITS all solution. There is something wrong when we can't get RCA's to stay.

No working under doesn't mean anything, some people are runners and some are slower. No choosing hourly. At least out of our office the management wants us all working under Eval, It Makes their job easier and they can go home earlier also.

 

[stingrayiii]

I’ve said multiple times RRECS is coming. The mapping first, then the LOT.
The Usps is digitizing the routes which then paves the way for RRECS. The problem in the DPM is the stops. They are mapping every box within 5 ft of each other as ONE stop. So if you have 3 or 30 boxes all in a row, it’s going to be counted as one stop, and the stops are how the pay is determined. But I’m sure ?the NRLCA is “on it”
I really think the certifying stingrayii is talking about is the DPM . The route can only be certified by management not the people inputting the data.

Yes, that is correct. They come in to certify and input DPM. But first LOTs and Redbooks have to match to submit it for DPM and certified. That is one thing that sucks as you stated with the boxes in a row. They will only count as one stop, but if inputted as dismounts management could put each individual box as a stop but each stop would have to be a dismount for that to work. Now would they do this? I don't know.

 

[DB.Cooper]

No, I didn't input anything in the DPM. The LOT's are now under RRECS program. Everything in the RRECS system has to match the redbook. And coded with the first address. It is just takes a lot of time to go through redbooks and verify its in delivery order on the street. Then input the correct LOTS and Dismounts to match redbooks. Also if redbooks order has to be moved around to make it match, it has to be sent to AMS and then they make the changes. Just takes forever to rely on all these people to get all the info.

So is there any hint of when the beast might be implemented???? Is anyone retiring in 2021 in any danger of ever working under RRECS???

 

[Windindaface]

Has anyone else noticed the delays for Edit Book returns?

JS... ours go down monthly on a set date directed by AMS. The last 3 send downs it seems they have it for 3 weeks before return. Then pressure by management to update in the week we have them on hand. I'm still waiting for mine from a Mid January send in date. PM does not have any of them for all offices in mix.

 

[Voglio-il mio]

Has anyone else noticed the delays for Edit Book returns?

JS... ours go down monthly on a set date directed by AMS. The last 3 send downs it seems they have it for 3 weeks before return. Then pressure by management to update in the week we have them on hand. I'm still waiting for mine from a Mid January send in date. PM does not have any of them for all offices in mix.

Right on, they always seem to be gone for almost a month, we have been trending getting them back and almost immediately sending them back out again!

 

[Windindaface]

As to the stops for boxes in a row and Route inspections. You could also research Ref: M-38 Section 515.2 (2)

In 2018 mail count guide page 5 is this image and description of what counts as a stop for EMA.



Will wording or image change before or after under RRECS for you POV'RS? Don't know. Something to ask about at a meeting when they become available again.

 

[flash]

I get that, but I’m telling you in the

As to the stops for boxes in a row and Route inspections. You could also research Ref: M-38 Section 515.2 (2)

In 2018 mail count guide page 5 is this image and description of what counts as a stop for EMA.

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Will wording or image change before or after under RRECS for you POV'RS? Don't know. Something to ask about at a meeting when they become available again.

DPM it’s one stop if each is under 5 ft distance. And it has nothing to do with the scanner pinging a sampling at wrong place. This system is accurate.
and
Something the NRLCA should have been or should be fighting for us, but we all know the ending here , folks

 

[Windindaface]

@flash in regards to SPMS. I'm so fed up with them no matter if in advance notice. I enter No More to scan when I reach correct location. They can cram those credits until miss informed delivery or DPS is 98% accurate.

JS... A 2 tray day and MMM case space assigned were full.

 

[mwellis32]

I’ve said multiple times RRECS is coming. The mapping first, then the LOT.
The Usps is digitizing the routes which then paves the way for RRECS. The problem in the DPM is the stops. They are mapping every box within 5 ft of each other as ONE stop. So if you have 3 or 30 boxes all in a row, it’s going to be counted as one stop, and the stops are how the pay is determined. But I’m sure ?the NRLCA is “on it”
I really think the certifying stingrayii is talking about is the DPM . The route can only be certified by management not the people inputting the data.

I told you they've been figuring on how to screw us with RRECS! Poor ole rural carriers thought they would be getting a fair days pay for a fair days work. Different name, same ole game.

 

[Deer Smearer]

I get that, but I’m telling you in the

DPM it’s one stop if each is under 5 ft distance. And it has nothing to do with the scanner pinging a sampling at wrong place. This system is accurate.
and
Something the NRLCA should have been or should be fighting for us, but we all know the ending here , folks

It may be one STOP, but it’s not one BOX.

Simple example, drive 1/2 mile, deliver to 1 box return 1/2 mile. Compensation would be 1.9008 minutes plus 1 box.


Same distance but 5 grouped boxes.
Compensation would be 2.0048 minutes plus 5 boxes.

 

[flash]

It may be one STOP, but it’s not one BOX.

Simple example, drive 1/2 mile, deliver to 1 box return 1/2 mile. Compensation would be 1.9008 minutes plus 1 box.


Same distance but 5 grouped boxes.
Compensation would be 2.0048 minutes plus 5 boxes.

I don’t know about the RRECS.
But
I do have an idea on the DPM, and the stop and box are tied together unless it’s a hardship like pointed out by stingrayiii.
maybe there’s a way they figure it all out, or maybe not.
like I said, something the NRLCA should be on top of........

 

[btdtret]

Deer smearer et al -- "S143 creep time is a credit for boxes grouped together. (0.0208 minutes)"

-- Darn!! And here I though "creep time" was for carriers dealing with manglement!

 

[Deer Smearer]

I don’t know about the RRECS.
But
I do have an idea on the DPM, and the stop and box are tied together unless it’s a hardship like pointed out by stingrayiii.
maybe there’s a way they figure it all out, or maybe not.
like I said, something the NRLCA should be on top of........

DPM is plotting the box location. GPS isn’t accurate enough to differentiate between groups of boxes like this.

 

[Deer Smearer]

Deer smearer et al -- "S143 creep time is a credit for boxes grouped together. (0.0208 minutes)"

-- Darn!! And here I though "creep time" was for carriers dealing with manglement!

There is creep overtime on the city side. It’s like one or two clicks over their 8 hours. And there are district personnel assigned to track that. ?

 

[btdtret]

Deer smearer et al -- "DPM is plotting the box location. GPS isn’t accurate enough to differentiate between groups of boxes like this." and #157's picture of mailboxes in a row.

-- Could get ugly if RRECS only pays when a mailbox is serviced ( i.e. putting mail in it ). How will it determine which mailbox was serviced?

 

[PTG]

I will just say southwest area. Where it stays warm all year round.
I don't want to be stepping on anyones toes and keep my life problem free as possible.

Thanks.. I’m in the northeast and we haven’t even been mapped yet.. I feel we are far from the RRECS being implemented here. Also, is what your saying is that whenever an office is “certified”, then that said office begins getting counted under the RRECS? How can 1 office, 2 offices, 30 offices begin the RRECS while others sit and wait?? My understanding is that we all have to begin the implementation as a whole, not in part and in drips and drabs..

 

[Deer Smearer]

Deer smearer et al -- "DPM is plotting the box location. GPS isn’t accurate enough to differentiate between groups of boxes like this." and #157's picture of mailboxes in a row.

-- Could get ugly if RRECS only pays when a mailbox is serviced ( i.e. putting mail in it ). How will it determine which mailbox was serviced?

I agree

 

[Haychica]

Was in conference call today, they were talking about RRECS, it is ready to roll as soon as your office has been certified to do so. But first office has to have Red Books and line of travels matching up perfectly to pass being certified.
Also pay will be adjusted yearly after RRECS is active, so that is good to know.
The hard part is getting management to get Red Books and LOTS to match, as there is a certain way it has to be done, and is a lot of work.
Our office is ready to be certified, but who knows when we will get certified?

Scanner is recording everything, even mapping for the most part.

The rest is stuff we already know.

Adjusted yearly!???wth...how do you get a mortgage with a salary like that...and how MUCH of an adjustment .whatever they decide or manipulate...???

 

[Skierstmoritz]

Thanks.. I’m in the northeast and we haven’t even been mapped yet.. I feel we are far from the RRECS being implemented here. Also, is what your saying is that whenever an office is “certified”, then that said office begins getting counted under the RRECS? How can 1 office, 2 offices, 30 offices begin the RRECS while others sit and wait?? My understanding is that we all have to begin the implementation as a whole, not in part and in drips and drabs..

Northeast here also......we haven't got the new scanners let alone been mapped. Rrecs seems a long way off. Total CRICKETS here with regards to rrecs. Adr expresses ignorance as well.