Are We Ever Going To See This Implemented ?
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I think it is to identify where you are parking the vehicle and where you are placing the parcel. This is to aid in the mapping process. Don't think it has anything to do with collecting data for compensation yet.
DB.Cooper et al -- "they're talking about new scanners, and they may be part of the key to implementing this nonsense.. "
-- Wonderful!! Brand new scanners running old programs - what could possibly go wrong?
-- And if you have new scanners running new programs, will the new programs be compatible with data / information established by old scanners and old programs?
-- As noted previously, scanners seem to act up more after weekend "updates / upgrades" are done. Of course, that is just anecdotal "evidence" that the NRLCA does not accept like the anecdotal "evidence" provided during count time.
-- Wonderful!! Brand new scanners running old programs - what could possibly go wrong?
-- And if you have new scanners running new programs, will the new programs be compatible with data / information established by old scanners and old programs?
-- As noted previously, scanners seem to act up more after weekend "updates / upgrades" are done. Of course, that is just anecdotal "evidence" that the NRLCA does not accept like the anecdotal "evidence" provided during count time.
DB.Cooper
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On the scanners... the old "new" ones we have now, worked slick as a whistle when we 1st got them... and now after a few years of the USPS programmers putting their junk software on them, they're slow and lock up needing rebooted fairly often...
It's sorta like the "wonderful" lookahead program... it'd actually be helpful if it worked right, but it's so full of glitches it often causes peeps to waste more time, than it saves...
So, this is the future of our paychecks now with RRECS... so, hold on (to your wallets) folks, it's probably gonna be a wild ride...
Now when we refer to the scanners as scammers... it'll be our paychecks that they're scamming... ??
It's sorta like the "wonderful" lookahead program... it'd actually be helpful if it worked right, but it's so full of glitches it often causes peeps to waste more time, than it saves...
So, this is the future of our paychecks now with RRECS... so, hold on (to your wallets) folks, it's probably gonna be a wild ride...
Now when we refer to the scanners as scammers... it'll be our paychecks that they're scamming... ??
Havenowgone
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DB, As you know I was in the study and was directed to carry the scanner with me and scan at the direct delivery point so an imprint was made where we left the package. This was for not only having proof for the customer about where a package was left but also for figuring the distance I traveled to deliver that package. There has been postings on this forum ever since we were mandated to do this, over 4 years ago and I know that you are probably the most active poster here. Did you not ask your super or PM about this? At union meetings this has been talked about for years also. Maybe you were absent for managements instructions at your particular post office but surely the other carriers would have mentioned it. Hard to believe that after all this time some post offices have not passed this information to their carriers. I would suggest that you talk with your PM and find out what you are supposed to be doing.
DB.Cooper
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I get the mapping on the route... especially the roads and mailboxes part, as those don't change much...
However, comma... the driveways and parcel left locations do vary a LOT... lots of variables there... somebody home, not home... cars parked in the drive, or not... dog present, or not... so anyways, once you get off the roads and into the driveways, it changes a LOT more day-to-day... just sayin'... not really gonna be able to do such a hard map there... ?
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DB.Cooper
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My point is, they should be telling us... and I'm saying that hasn't been happening... a very small percentage of carriers in our craft come to these online forums... maybe a few thousand of the over 125,000... pretty small #'s...
I've been to the union meetings, and the attendance levels there are also very small...
The mngt geeks can see that the items are being scanned as "left at front door" while sitting in the driveway... and apparently this is okay, because no mention is made of it...
So, hopefully when the day comes that this data is gonna be collected for use in determining peeps pay... then the peeps will be informed of this fact, and given clear instructions on what is to be done, and why... maybe even provide some written or online instructions regarding this... this is 2019 isn't it???
Have there been any in depth articles in the monthly NRLCA newsrag about this issue lately??? Oh yeah, I forgot, there wasn't room after they filled it full of pics with all of the fat-cats in their clown suits... ???
quite a circus they got going on there... ?
H.N.G... Also, if I were a betting man... I'd bet MORE peeps are NOT carrying the scanners to the door, than are... and I'd give 2-to-1 odds on the bet... so that should give you an idea of the lack of communication on this issue... and, I'll take it a step further... now that we're in "route inspection" season... I'd bet PM's are sitting in the back seats and watching peeps scan these items in the vehicle and walk them up to the front doors, and never making a mention of it... so, if you're trying to tell me it's my issue to resolve... I'll have to drop back to the discussion about "off the clock" work, and say the issue is bigger than me, and requires bigger actions than I can provide to solve/resolve... again, just sayin'...
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DB.Cooper
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Can you provide the link so we can all read it???
Maybe we need to do a poll and see if my office is the only one in the entire USPS that doesn't care about this... and isn't doing it...
Do you really believe the majority of peeps are carrying the scanners around??? I don't...
Also, why was a directive issued just "last pp"... when according to H.N.G. this has been the policy for YEARS now... apparently not a well known nor well enforced policy... ?
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Havenowgone
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DB......I would agree that management should be communicating better and enforcing the rules but I believe that most carriers know the rules and choose to disregard them because it is easier for them. That includes working off the clock and not carrying the scanner with them and scanning at the point of delivery. Like I said, it's hard to believe anyone on this forum hasn't read about either starting before their starting time and also carrying the scanner with them! At the very least they should have questioned their management about it or brought it up at a union meeting or discussed this with other carriers they work with. Of course those carriers probably don't want to find out that they are required to do extra work so they don't ask or just do things the way they want until they are forced to do things the correct way.....JMHO.
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Rt2mailman
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Any union meetings I've been in attendance over the last 2 years I've been told, "Take your scanners with you everwhere". That info will be used in mapping and eventually your pay, get used to it now.
As far as "Can they tell if you are bringing parcels to the door that would fit in the box?", no they can't, you may have a locking "slot" box, that they have never cared about during count, and can't distinguish now. The 10 miles extra, mentioned above, for parcels to the door, Is what I'm looking forward to under RRECS, I've been doing it for free for 33 years and can't wait to finally get paid for it.
As far as "Can they tell if you are bringing parcels to the door that would fit in the box?", no they can't, you may have a locking "slot" box, that they have never cared about during count, and can't distinguish now. The 10 miles extra, mentioned above, for parcels to the door, Is what I'm looking forward to under RRECS, I've been doing it for free for 33 years and can't wait to finally get paid for it.
DB.Cooper
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It's not about me... or any one person in particular... it's about the larger issue of lack of communications by the peeps who SHOULD be communicating... namely the NRLCA & USPS...
Post some links to NRLCA articles about this if you can find any in between all of the clown pictures they've crammed in their newsrag... ?????
If smart guys like H.N.G. and Rt2 haven't been able to solve these issues in their 41 & 33 year careers, then what chance do the rest of us have???
What is needed, is for the NRLCA to spend as much time and effort addressing issues that matter, like Table 2 pay, RRECS, contracts, etc., etc... as they do on party attendance and clown pictures... any bets on when we'll see a NRLCA newsrag crammed full of info about the RRECS??? oh forgot clown pics are more fun... fogetaboutit...
Post some links to NRLCA articles about this if you can find any in between all of the clown pictures they've crammed in their newsrag... ???
??If smart guys like H.N.G. and Rt2 haven't been able to solve these issues in their 41 & 33 year careers, then what chance do the rest of us have???
What is needed, is for the NRLCA to spend as much time and effort addressing issues that matter, like Table 2 pay, RRECS, contracts, etc., etc... as they do on party attendance and clown pictures... any bets on when we'll see a NRLCA newsrag crammed full of info about the RRECS??? oh forgot clown pics are more fun... fogetaboutit...
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DB.Cooper
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Blaming carriers is NOT the solution..
I mean, if I were to say, hey look it, H.N.G. worked for 41 years, and during that time he let time standards get so bad that he had to retire in frustration because he couldn't get some better standards... that'd be nuts... of course it's not your fault... let's lay the blame where it belongs and quit blaming each other... that's the game the NRLCA wants us to play so we don't hold those responsible, accountable...
Where's the criticisms for the NRLCA... or is it easier to just blame the carriers, as the NRLCA wants you to do???
Rt2mailman
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DB, I believe in immediate and compete disclosure of all NRLCA knowledge and even posting on sites like this one. The NRLCA, however, does not. I think they believe that keeping information to the elite insiders of their group encourages more membership, I do not. Someday maybe they will, but currently they release the bare minimum to us lowly dues paying members.
In my office I've heard many times from my steward and a few from my pm to carry your scanners with you for a more accurate record of what you do.
In my office I've heard many times from my steward and a few from my pm to carry your scanners with you for a more accurate record of what you do.
DB.Cooper
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Thanks for acknowledging that... something we really already knew...
But how sad is that... they think the membership... the very people who pay their salaries, do not deserve to be fully informed...
And, in light of that acknowledged fact, I don't see how you, or anyone else can argue against peeps withholding paying their dues to such an ineffective organization as the NRLCA...
They don't wanna inform us on what is going on, or listen to our concerns... then why blame anybody for not wanting to pay for that lack of representation???
But how sad is that... they think the membership... the very people who pay their salaries, do not deserve to be fully informed...
And, in light of that acknowledged fact, I don't see how you, or anyone else can argue against peeps withholding paying their dues to such an ineffective organization as the NRLCA...
They don't wanna inform us on what is going on, or listen to our concerns... then why blame anybody for not wanting to pay for that lack of representation???
Havenowgone
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DB, If you are suggesting that I'm blaming carriers for working off the clock and not carrying scanners with them when they have been told to do so....yes I'm blaming them. Not completely though! Some carriers work off the clock to make the job doable, to be able to stay under 2080 because the evaluated system is so out of whack, and get the mail out on time when if they started on time they wouldn't have enough time to do just that. As far as the scanner thing goes, maybe some have never been told but many have been and refuse to do it until they are made to do it. Is that managements fault for not enforcing, the NRLCA's fault for not communicating better or the carriers fault for not giving a darn and doing what's easiest for them. You pick whose fault things are but carriers are always one of them, to some percentage. Personally, I had no say in the time standards other than to submit resolutions and voice my opinions at union meetings so I don't get your comparison. Carriers do have a say in reporting their times correctly and following instructions on carrying the scanner. I never falsified time records and always carried the scanner with me not only for myself but for the betterment of the all carriers. The only way things could get better for us as a whole is by not cheating on our times and following directions correctly for the time study. Unfortunately some worry only about themselves and maybe that's part of the reason we are as an assoc., where we are at. You should also know that I have major issues with the NRLCA! They don't communicate well enough and have done miserably in contracts for as long as I can remember. That's why I was looking so forward to working under this new system. It could be the best thing that ever happened to the rural craft!
stillfirstclass
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if there is outgoing i would assume credit.. but otherwise no credit.. frozen toes can you prove me wrong?? please??
Rt2mailman
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The way I see it we will always have a disagreement with someone, or some organizations. I don't believe it helps to turn away (in speech as in friends, or in dues as in our union, or grievances for the USPS ) from those we disagree. Talking and resolving (as in our union resolutions, grievance resolutions for the USPS ) has always been a better way to make the situation known and better than just turning away.
blamethesub
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Data for a route evaluation through RRECS cannot possibly be collected prior to implementation in order to have a new evaluation on day 1. There are several carrier responsibilities that have to take place, so official data collection can't happen without you knowing about it. I refer to the NRLCA magazine article about the RRECS system, which is the only info we've ever received.
- Routes must be mapped by the carriers.
- RRECS will have additional scan and data entry options which the carriers will have to perform at proper times and locations.
- Mini mail counts performed by carrier & supervisor for raw mail.
- In-office walking distances to be measured by carrier & supervisor.
- Certain new work rules will be required by RRECS. New SOPs will be issued by USPS and carriers will be trained as necessary.
