Anyone on a POV Route would have to be an idiot to vote yes

hunchback

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So if your currently a Regular Carrier on in a POV office odds are you don't have a substitute carrier.

If you are one of the lucky few to have a substitute on your route, or any in your office at all, this contract will end that luxury.

Joe Reeser said:

RCAs - as far as them being required to go to other offices when "requested," there is apparently an MOU in the works on this matter. Mr. Pitts said (not a direct quote), "The union does not believe they can win in arbitration against this requirement." So, yes: RCAs will be required to go to other offices if told to do so. However, if an RCA is assigned to an "all LLV" office, they will not be required to have a POV "just in case" they are required at another office.

So if your RCA doesn't want to be the Red Headed Step Son of the RCA ranks they will look to transfer to an LLV office... No POV requirement... No being forced to other offices that are POV.

So what about the 1 or 2 RCA's stuck in a POV office?

Can they be forced to do 2 or 3 or 4 aux routes in multiple offices in a day?

Theoretically, as long as the total evaluations don't exceed 12 hours.

What about that driving time between offices? Oh no that doesn't count towards that 12 hours.

Well Clerks get paid for all hours even driving time if the go directly from one office to another, but our Union settled for half a loaf again.. Travel Mileage, but not travel time pay like other crafts.

On the MOU to study RCA retention, how about the NRLCA start representing RCA's effectively, you know, don't settle for far less than other crafts get, ALWAYS!!

Now how about the Regulars on POV Routes... How does 6 days a week 52 weeks a year and forced Sundays over Christmas Period Sound.
LOOKS LIKE THAT'S YOU FUTURE WITH THIS TURD OF A CONTRACT PROPOSAL

Oh and all you LLV offices... it won't be long before they start pulling those LLV's for City Routes, because their Union won't bend over and take it in the shorts.

But "OH NO THEY CAN'T DO THAT" yeah and they can't force RCA's to go to other offices... until they do!!!
 

btdtret

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hunchback et al -- "Can they be forced to do 2 or 3 or 4 aux routes in multiple offices in a day? Theoretically, as long as the total evaluations don't exceed 12 hours. "

-- Step 4 ( R-96 ) addresses part of that ( sort of ):

- However, except in EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, managment MUST NOT schedule a leave replacement to serve on two full assignments or one full assignment and one or more partial assignments in a single day, IF the assignments total twelve or more hours. ( guess who gets to declare what an "emergency is? )

-- Just because the assignment(s) total more than 12 hours, there is no guarantee that the RCA can do the assignment(s) in under 12 hours.

"RCAs - as far as them being required to go to other offices when "requested," there is apparently an MOU in the works on this matter. "

-- It would have to be an MOU as the NRLCA already lost a grievance on manglement ordering RCA's to other offices. ( and more than likely, too late for the 2018-2021 contract. )

-- In the USPS denial, the USPS advised the NRLCA that it would need to go through collective baraining rather than the grievance process to address it.

"On the MOU to study RCA retention, how about the NRLCA start representing RCA's effectively, you know, don't settle for far less than other crafts get,.."

-- Since there has been no publishing of the results of the Seasonal Task Force and the Mail Count Task Force estabished by the 2015-2018 contract, I won't expect to see anything from the RCA Retention Study either.

-- Actually it might not even be needed as there might not be any RCA's to retain!
 

Toolology

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So if your currently a Regular Carrier on in a POV office odds are you don't have a substitute carrier.

If you are one of the lucky few to have a substitute on your route, or any in your office at all, this contract will end that luxury.

Joe Reeser said:

RCAs - as far as them being required to go to other offices when "requested," there is apparently an MOU in the works on this matter. Mr. Pitts said (not a direct quote), "The union does not believe they can win in arbitration against this requirement." So, yes: RCAs will be required to go to other offices if told to do so. However, if an RCA is assigned to an "all LLV" office, they will not be required to have a POV "just in case" they are required at another office.

So if your RCA doesn't want to be the Red Headed Step Son of the RCA ranks they will look to transfer to an LLV office... No POV requirement... No being forced to other offices that are POV.

So what about the 1 or 2 RCA's stuck in a POV office?

Can they be forced to do 2 or 3 or 4 aux routes in multiple offices in a day?

Theoretically, as long as the total evaluations don't exceed 12 hours.

What about that driving time between offices? Oh no that doesn't count towards that 12 hours.

Well Clerks get paid for all hours even driving time if the go directly from one office to another, but our Union settled for half a loaf again.. Travel Mileage, but not travel time pay like other crafts.

On the MOU to study RCA retention, how about the NRLCA start representing RCA's effectively, you know, don't settle for far less than other crafts get, ALWAYS!!

Now how about the Regulars on POV Routes... How does 6 days a week 52 weeks a year and forced Sundays over Christmas Period Sound.
LOOKS LIKE THAT'S YOU FUTURE WITH THIS TURD OF A CONTRACT PROPOSAL

Oh and all you LLV offices... it won't be long before they start pulling those LLV's for City Routes, because their Union won't bend over and take it in the shorts.

But "OH NO THEY CAN'T DO THAT" yeah and they can't force RCA's to go to other offices... until they do!!!
No llv routes in 100 miles of area.... this is moot too a lot of carriers.
 

gotstamps

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Since my office is way short of RCA's and I already work 6 days a week I doubt I will have that problem. However, if I am forced to go work at another office
The RCAs that “could” be forced to work elsewhere would only be doing so on the days they’re not needed in their Home office. This is NOT for running to assist another office after working a route in your Home office. If you’re already working 6 days a week, you won’t be sent elsewhere. The Home office still takes Priority.
 
If I am understanding this correctly....me being an aux route 6 days a week, I will not be forced to go to other offices.
And if that is correct, I was thinking about giving up the aux route and be a sub for a route that have an LLV so that I would no longer have to use my own vehicle. This whole thing of being forced to another office would make me stay on the aux route 6 days a week.
 

Rt2mailman

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My sub loves going to other offices. He has gotten paid to drive 2 hours there and 2 back, ran an easy route 2 hours under evaluation. He said anytime call me. He has been at 40 hours/week scheduling himself in other offices when we didn't need him at ours.
 

Lady Carrier

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Article 9.2.J.2
2. Vehicle Equipment Rural carriers shall furnish all necessary vehicle equipment for prompt handling of the mail unless the vehicle is furnished by the Employer. The Employer reserves the right to provide vehicles at its option to any route. For each day on which a carrier or replacement who is required to provide a vehicle receives pay in an active duty status as a rural carrier, such employee shall be paid for EMA for the day determined from the applicable schedule.
PO-603 page 4
141.1 Vehicle Equipment: You are responsible for furnishing all vehicle equipment necessary for safe and prompt handling of the mail, unless a USPS-owned/leased vehicle is assigned to the route.
For those that think just because you are assigned to an LLV route means you don't have to run a POV route you many want to see what the current contract and PO 603 say. Rural carriers are required to furnish a vehicle to deliver mail.
In desperation the PO may invoke these "rules" to get routes covered.
We have subs from other offices (some are assigned to LLV routes) come and work at our office (all routes are POV), for now they are voluntary, but with new contract many more may be required.
 

gerl2

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. However, if an RCA is assigned to an "all LLV" office, they will not be required to have a POV "just in case" they are required at another office.
Whose fault is it that we are not being compensated for using POV that nobody wants to do POV routes? Yesterday alone I had over 50 packages I had to use my gas just to run up and down driveways for free. Can you really blame the subs if you ask me at least they are wise enough to know when they are getting screwed and choose not to? How about compensating us to the actual costs for using POV and maybe we could get more subs in POV. Sorry, some people put blame on something that is being manufactured at the top and nothing being done. Yes, there seems to be so much division in our craft POV VS LLV, L VS NONL, DPS flats VS NON DPS flats, the list goes on. They want us divided so they can tare down one part of our craft and the others look the other way in the assumption it is not happening to me. But I assure you we all have become the victims.
 

Rt2mailman

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Well said gerl2. As most of the problems with the USPS are the way money is spent (not that there isn't enough being brought in except from the subsidizing Amazon contract). Way too much is spent on management that add nothing to our "product" which is our service. Management and all their "reports" made to keep the jobs of who they "report" to, so that manager's job seems necessary, is the circle of the biggest waste in the USPS. If we dumped 1/2 of all the USPS managers tomorrow no one would notice the day after and all customers would get their mail as usual. If all the reports went out the window tomorrow, needed managers would have 6 additional hours to do any needed managing. Maybe we should just put the money where people are needed and take it from where they are not. Management's wages are to be lowered tomorrow and RCA s raised tomorrow by $5000 incentive award to buy a right hand drive. Rca's can now afford to buy that imported rhd and old managers have less inventive to keep working and retire. No loss of $ to the USPS and more people decide to be rca to receive that $5000 POV bonus, fewer people at the top of the USPS pay, keep working when they can retire and allow lower paid managers to step in. A win/win for the USPS that will never happen because the biggest effort by any postal manager is to keep their wages while lowering all other craft employee's wages.
 

Skierstmoritz

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If sent to another office, I'd like to know what you'll be looking at when you walk in. I couldn't begin to try and case mail, mark spurs/packages somewhere I'd never seen before.
Welcome to our new contract! Used t be , if an rca wanted more hours they could farm themselves out , IF THEY WANTED TO! now they will be forced to another office whether they want to go or not. Big difference.
 

btdtret

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Travelingmailman et al -- "Should have written in that RCA should get the 24 hours of training just like when first hired when being sold...I mean borrowed out..'

-- No doubt manglement will just say "You are getting actual time ( for the first day ), so be quiet and get to work." ( or words to that effect )
 

Travelingmailman

Active member
I have been doing routs now at home office no training. Every piece everyday, it's fing brutal (all other subs too) I I know the town. Imagine a town you don't know plus drive llv when you are a pov person...eek!
 

Lady Carrier

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If sent to another office, I'd like to know what you'll be looking at when you walk in. I couldn't begin to try and case mail, mark spurs/packages somewhere I'd never seen before.
We have an AUX route 2 to 3 hrs a day, so that RCA cases/helps get out of office any borrowed subs then runs their AUX route and after that is able to help the borrowed help if needed. A few borroweds have come back to our office again, some say NO WAY, because they are coming from a big in city office out to our RURAL small town lotsa miles POV routes.
I hope the push for PTF that is being talked about in the meeting will be an advantage to those RCA's that want a career position working 40 hours a week, but yet not make those RCA's (like in our office) that only want part time a couple days a week work quit all together. When the PM has mentioned sending them to another office (voluntary for now) they say NO I just want part-time. Some have told us regulars that if they are required to go to another office they are outahere. They know the first place they will be sent in to a big office that cannot keep subs because of the supervisors. RCA's in our area are told during Academy if they want plenty of work go to a big office, if they want part-time go to a small office and when they want more work be loaned to the big office or do Sunday Amazon at the big office (our small offices don't do Sunday Amazon - when asked about it a couple years ago all the subs said they would quit if they had to work Sunday).
 
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