Finally Regular
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What affect does the cell sizes have on route evulation. I noticed on my edit book that my cell sizes went from 1in to 1/2 in and these are all curb side boxes
Cell sizes
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Finally Regular -- "What affect does the cell sizes have on route evaluation. I noticed on my edit book that my cell sizes went from 1in to 1/2 in and these are all curb side boxes."
-- It could add some time to your END OF SHIFT duties IF you get new labels that match up with your Edit Book! Also it will be relearning process for you to adapt to the new labels.
-- Should manglement INSIST you redo the labels, politely ask for payment via the 8127 as redoing the entire case is not "normal" label maintenance ( IMHO ).
-- Could be manglement is planning to reduce the number pieces of your current casing equipment.
-- You should politely ask manglement who changed the cell size for your route. Should manglement admit they did it, you could grieve it citing Step 4 ( C-6 ) which states in part:
- Management will determine the INITIAL casing system when a rural route is created. In addition management MAY change the casing system as follows:
a. when a regular route is vacant
b. when a route changes regular carriers ( including during the awarding process, provided the carrier is notified prior to accepting the route )
c. anytime on an auxiliary route
d. when unserviceable equipment causes the need for change, or
e. anytime by mutual agreement
-- If none of the above pertains to your particular route, get the office steward involved, or if none, your Assistant District Representative.
-- Good luck.
-- It could add some time to your END OF SHIFT duties IF you get new labels that match up with your Edit Book! Also it will be relearning process for you to adapt to the new labels.
-- Should manglement INSIST you redo the labels, politely ask for payment via the 8127 as redoing the entire case is not "normal" label maintenance ( IMHO ).
-- Could be manglement is planning to reduce the number pieces of your current casing equipment.
-- You should politely ask manglement who changed the cell size for your route. Should manglement admit they did it, you could grieve it citing Step 4 ( C-6 ) which states in part:
- Management will determine the INITIAL casing system when a rural route is created. In addition management MAY change the casing system as follows:
a. when a regular route is vacant
b. when a route changes regular carriers ( including during the awarding process, provided the carrier is notified prior to accepting the route )
c. anytime on an auxiliary route
d. when unserviceable equipment causes the need for change, or
e. anytime by mutual agreement
-- If none of the above pertains to your particular route, get the office steward involved, or if none, your Assistant District Representative.
-- Good luck.
Take the time EoS to change every cell back to 1 inch, heavy mail customers change to 2 or 3 inch. Then turn it in with a request for new labels.
When I took over this route they changed all cells to 1 inch. Took 3 label changes to get it back to decent cell wise. Added another wing due to apartments, the wing they took away dropping it to 1 inch.
they cost themselves way more then if they would have just left it alone.
When I took over this route they changed all cells to 1 inch. Took 3 label changes to get it back to decent cell wise. Added another wing due to apartments, the wing they took away dropping it to 1 inch.
they cost themselves way more then if they would have just left it alone.DO NOT let this fly. There is NO 1/2" cell size for rural. Now, they CAN make you go 6 shelves but NOT 1/2". That's a City thing because they aren't allowed to case much of anything. From The 603 ;
213.21 Separations and Wing Cases
Carrier case, Item 124-D, has 240 (1" wide) separations. The dividers are
removable, and wider separations can be made to accommodate addresses
receiving large volumes of mail and to provide added space for casing flat
mail, magazines, and newspapers (see Exhibit 213.21). Wing cases for Item
124-D are identified as follows:
213.23 Variations
In addition to the above (currently the primary equipment used for newly
established rural routes), other equipment previously authorized, but no
longer manufactured, for rural routes is listed below. As this equipment
becomes unserviceable, a regular route becomes vacant, or a new route is
established, Item 124-D, or a combination of Item 124-D and other
equipment, will be established, as necessary.
a. Item 125, Carrier Case - 100 (2 1/4" wide) separations.
b. Item 126, Carrier Case - 208 (2 1/2" wide) separations.
c. Item 140, Wing Case - 63 (2 1/8" wide) separations.
d. Item 145, One-Bundle Sliding Shelf Case (with or without table) - 160
(1") separations.
e. Item 146, One-Bundle Sliding Shelf Case 230 (1") separations.
f. Various distribution equipment
It's ONE INCH per address. Now, you CAN have a two inch space between dividers but there will be TWO addresses between the dividers which would equal one inch per addy.
They are so trying to make us city and they are getting plenty of help from "our side". What the PO is doing with this is making it to where you will have no room to case anything so you will be forced to take pretty much everything to the street. There are TWO mail classifications where the carrier has the option to case or take "it" to the street. Those TWO are boxholders ( no address ) and DPS letter mail==THAT'S IT !!! We have many carriers in my office that take those car ads to the street as well as ANY other mailing that has an address on it and I cringe every single time. For the rural craft , these mailings are caseable volume. The standard is based upon it being cased and our craft NEEDS office time desperately. Anyway, give The 603 a look and there are diagrams for the case types with cell sizes.
213.21 Separations and Wing Cases
Carrier case, Item 124-D, has 240 (1" wide) separations. The dividers are
removable, and wider separations can be made to accommodate addresses
receiving large volumes of mail and to provide added space for casing flat
mail, magazines, and newspapers (see Exhibit 213.21). Wing cases for Item
124-D are identified as follows:
213.23 Variations
In addition to the above (currently the primary equipment used for newly
established rural routes), other equipment previously authorized, but no
longer manufactured, for rural routes is listed below. As this equipment
becomes unserviceable, a regular route becomes vacant, or a new route is
established, Item 124-D, or a combination of Item 124-D and other
equipment, will be established, as necessary.
a. Item 125, Carrier Case - 100 (2 1/4" wide) separations.
b. Item 126, Carrier Case - 208 (2 1/2" wide) separations.
c. Item 140, Wing Case - 63 (2 1/8" wide) separations.
d. Item 145, One-Bundle Sliding Shelf Case (with or without table) - 160
(1") separations.
e. Item 146, One-Bundle Sliding Shelf Case 230 (1") separations.
f. Various distribution equipment
It's ONE INCH per address. Now, you CAN have a two inch space between dividers but there will be TWO addresses between the dividers which would equal one inch per addy.
They are so trying to make us city and they are getting plenty of help from "our side". What the PO is doing with this is making it to where you will have no room to case anything so you will be forced to take pretty much everything to the street. There are TWO mail classifications where the carrier has the option to case or take "it" to the street. Those TWO are boxholders ( no address ) and DPS letter mail==THAT'S IT !!! We have many carriers in my office that take those car ads to the street as well as ANY other mailing that has an address on it and I cringe every single time. For the rural craft , these mailings are caseable volume. The standard is based upon it being cased and our craft NEEDS office time desperately. Anyway, give The 603 a look and there are diagrams for the case types with cell sizes.
Shannonboy
Well-known member
Good Job Worve....way to bring the PAIN, and get paid to do so...❤Take the time EoS to change every cell back to 1 inch, heavy mail customers change to 2 or 3 inch. Then turn it in with a request for new labels.
When I took over this route they changed all cells to 1 inch. Took 3 label changes to get it back to decent cell wise. Added another wing due to apartments, the wing they took away dropping it to 1 inch.
Shannonboy
Well-known member
AWESOME comment Neciat!!! ❤❤❤❤
Rural cell size standard is one inch. If you have customers who get more mail you may expand that to 2 inches, or greater depending.
One time that cell size comes into play is if the PO decides again to try to take casing equipment from you. A few years back they tried that, and I increased many cells to 2 and 3 inches. This required the same casing equipment even though the standard was implemented to six shelves.
The correct answer is this.......
Take the time EoS to change every cell back to 1 inch, heavy mail customers change to 2 or 3 inch. Then turn it in with a request for new labels.
When I took over this route they changed all cells to 1 inch. Took 3 label changes to get it back to decent cell wise. Added another wing due to apartments, the wing they took away dropping it to 1 inch.
When they want to play games with you, you play games back. EoS to change labels and that is worth WAY MORE THAN the crap they are doing. I posted a while back how management told me twice a year labels have to change. My reponse was I WILL OBEY!!! That's just free money on evaluation.
But you wanna prove your point, show them this.
Morty
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One inch like everyone proved. The only exception I would make, and some in the rural side hate this. Is if you got 1,000 boxes and 6 cases. I would prefer to eliminate the cbu into like 6-8 inches and have 3 cases. Sort the mail when you get there. But that's my preference.
stingrayiii
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I have 1200 customers all apartments. If I didn't have 1/2 cells my case would be huge for no reason. I prefer my 144-124-144 case setup. But I have no need to single cell as I am all apartments and it would just waste my time to case all mail instead of doing it out on the street. I have tried both ways and it is easier and faster to do it out there instead of in the office.
Boston65
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The PO pulled a lot of equipment from carriers to streamline the offices. In all of their greater wisdom, an order was issued to destroy that equipment. Now with most every office in the nation, growth is bursting route size. AMS is having issues with fitting the growth into current configurations, so reducing the cell size will be a temporary solution. Offices are scrambling to find equipment for new growth, but rare to find.
Joe Reeser
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Dominator
Well-known member
Hey now... It will revert as soon as administratively practicable."Temporary."
The actual goal in all of this is to MAKE and FORCE the rural "way" into the mode under which the City operates. THAT'S IT !!!!
Yup all my apartments have 5 inch cell, and cbu for businesses are 3 inch cells. I know I know jackpot is not suppose to happen. Guess what just like PoV space in the vehicle and case is the final frontier
Well, in some instances, the jackpot method can actually SAVE space and , thus, equipment. For example, instead of having 15 one inch spaces for the 15 deliveries at a CBU, having just 5 inches for the jackpot for that ONE CBU saved 10 inches. Three CBUs ? 30 inches saved.Yup all my apartments have 5 inch cell, and cbu for businesses are 3 inch cells. I know I know jackpot is not suppose to happen. Guess what just like PoV space in the vehicle and case is the final frontier
Agree. However, most of our routes get the coverages, lots of flats, DPS, so having individual spaces works best. It also gives us the flex should we rubber band the flats, DPS above the separators to take it out to the street too.
The ONLY concern I'd EVER have for saving space or equipment is if it works best for the CARRIER. I don't give two (you know whats) about saving anything for the PO.
Have 2 wings all ready I do not want a 3rd one hence jackpot what I can. My apartments are 30-40 unit buildings 3 are done. Have now 4 more being built was just 3 more. with completion of 3 of them by November. Plans for up 8 more such buildings end November 2026. Also why I am doing everything I can to be put at 47k+ as soon as possible. Get those apartments off my route pronto.
Boston65
Well-known member
You won’t be able to fool AMS. The only good news is that carriers have the ability to maintain your equipment. You only need one name per address. Deliver all mail as addressed and let the customer kick back any mail not theirs. During the upcoming count, think of all the DPS errors one will get with this type of system.
