City Carrier Reject Contract

[ATCBigE]

Membership rejects tentative collective bargaining agreement


Reopen the discussion on this since @Ruralinfo had to restore the site and it got deleted.

I'm not shocked it got rejected, but what really shocked me was the results.

23K YES
64K NO

Will it go to arbitration??? The real question with that is how do they look at IF IT GETS THAT FAR.

Do they look at the side of 1.3% raise a year comparing to the huge inflation numbers???

Do they look at USPS "10 billion dollar loss last year" and say 1.3% is fair???

 

[IDPOSTAL]

Is anyone surprised? 1.3% is a slap pin the face IMO.

 

[neciat]

Is anyone surprised? 1.3% is a slap pin the face IMO.

yeah.................right off the bat everyone can see that this WAS NOT bargaining in good faith.

 

[ATCBigE]

Is anyone surprised? 1.3% is a slap pin the face IMO.

To me I'm not surprised except at the margin of it.

They dragged it out long enough to point where the back pay is important to people needing the money hoping those people would vote for it. I don't think they did though which is good.

 

[ATCBigE]

yeah.................right off the bat everyone can see that this WAS NOT bargaining in good faith.

Well it was bargaining in good faith to the only thing that matters. Not the carriers but USPS.

I'm just waiting to see if arbitration happens and the argument I can see coming.

We can't do more than 1.3% because we lost "10 billion dollars" last year.

 

[neciat]

We can't do more than 1.3% because we lost "10 billion dollars" last year

I've always wondered if our union just accepts the loss figures that the PO presents and goes from there or if our union actually researches, fact checks, and does their own audit. I mean, I have seen MANY times over the decades of debacle where our union " presented no evidence / testimony to the contrary" , "had no rebuttal to......" and phrases with words to that effect from arbitrators.

 

[Brots9999]

Super impressed that an overwhelming majority of the voters voted no. No offense to them, but I kinda thought they’d be too starved for raises to say no. Good lord though, Renfroe is ridiculous. “NALC is well prepared to fight like hell for a better contract in interest arbitration, and that is exactly what we will do if the Postal Service is unwilling to reach agreement on terms that fairly compensate and reward our members.” I wonder where that energy was when he thought bringing a 1.3% raise to the membership was a good idea….

 

[DB.Cooper]

Exactly... NALC team agreed to the tentative contract... the membership said no, now it goes back to the same peeps that already agreed to it to argue in front of an arbitrator... seems to me that weakens their arguements for improvements.... I'll be surprised if they get major improvements... time will tell the tale...

 

[DB.Cooper]

Super impressed that an overwhelming majority of the voters voted no. No offense to them, but I kinda thought they’d be too starved for raises to say no. Good lord though, Renfroe is ridiculous. “NALC is well prepared to fight like hell for a better contract in interest arbitration, and that is exactly what we will do if the Postal Service is unwilling to reach agreement on terms that fairly compensate and reward our members.” I wonder where that energy was when he thought bringing a 1.3% raise to the membership was a good idea….

IF the membership got to vote on what the arbitrator ultimately "awards"... they'd likely vote no on that as well, but that's not how it works... you get what they give, like it or not...

 

[Brots9999]

IF the membership got to vote on what the arbitrator ultimately "awards"... they'd likely vote no on that as well, but that's not how it works... you get what they give, like it or not...

probably? Possibly? I know the last arbitration over a contract went rather poorly, but that was partly because the APWU accepted a contract (and thus the rough terms were set), yes?

 

[Shannonboy]

Theyll get it both ways....coming, and going....and trust me, itll be the REAL POST OFFICE, ya know, THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK... itll be
THE CARRIERS who lose out AGAIN, this time Cityside, and theyll get screwed over even worse. Where is the UNION....

 

[DB.Cooper]

probably? Possibly? I know the last arbitration over a contract went rather poorly, but that was partly because the APWU accepted a contract (and thus the rough terms were set), yes?

That's a good point.. my guess is USPS is regretting letting the NALC contract get in front of APWU and NRLCA in this go round.... the fact that it was resoundingly rejected should help.... in the back of somebody's mind, I'm sure they don't wanna trigger a repeat of 1970... js... be that the USPS or an arbitrator...

 

[Brots9999]

That's a good point.. my guess is USPS is regretting letting the NALC contract get in front of APWU and NRLCA in this go round.... the fact that it was resoundingly rejected should help.... in the back of somebody's mind, I'm sure they don't wanna trigger a repeat of 1970... js... be that the USPS or an arbitrator...

a massive wild cat strike that involved the national guard being called out to try and deliver the mail? That’d be fascinating. Doubt I could afford that kind of work stoppage, but that’d be wild.

I’m curious if the post office tries a new tentative with slightly better wages, just to head off possible arbitration.

 

[DB.Cooper]

a massive wild cat strike that involved the national guard being called out to try and deliver the mail? That’d be fascinating. Doubt I could afford that kind of work stoppage, but that’d be wild.

I’m curious if the post office tries a new tentative with slightly better wages, just to head off possible arbitration.

Yeah, the overwhelming no vote may raise some eyebrows... also, the NALC resistance did drop some subliminal messages about wanting the right to STRIKE.... I doubt that went without notice as well....

 

[Rt2mailman]

Oh please let me present “The Facts” before the arbitrator.
1) Yes the Usps is in the red by 10 billion dollars
2) Yes the Usps paid out billions of dollars in overtime in the last few years
3) Yes the Usps can raise the Usps rates any time they prove to the board of directors that they need to raise their rates
4) The Usps couldn’t hire enough rcas or regular carriers, they had nobody to run routes and had to (contrary to the contract) force regular carriers to run extra routes which cost them dearly, according to FEDERAL LAW
5) The reason the Usps couldn’t hire enough Rcas and couldn’t replace the regular carriers that were quitting, due to the excessively high workload, is because the current Usps wages for regular and rca carriers has not kept up with INFLATION and has CAUSED in part the $10 billion loss.
There were Rcas being paid $7/ hour more than current RCAs in 2010
6) Therefore the lack of a just and fair wage for rural carriers, due to poor Usps management assigned contract negotiators, IS THE REASON the Usps is $10 billion in the red.
7) It is our suggestion that the Usps increase the wages of all rural carriers to a minimum of 5% above inflation. End the table Two wage plague and thereby create a workforce that again sees value in working for the Usps
8) All of these increases in wages could easily be earned through fairly charging ALL USPS customers equally for the services provided. Non-profit/political, large mailers, (like Amazon) paying at least a 50% of what every other Usps customer pays would pay for all necessary monies needed for fair wages to be paid to all Usps employees.

 

[Worve]

Gives me a little hope that arbitration is a slam dunk for nalc. Glad city voted it down, next hope is arbitration works out well for them.

 

[She mails rural]

Well it was bargaining in good faith to the only thing that matters. Not the carriers but USPS.

I'm just waiting to see if arbitration happens and the argument I can see coming.

We can't do more than 1.3% because we lost "10 billion dollars" last year.

Well obviously your gonna loose it with or without our wages but the money your in the red should be going to humans that work hard in Hazzard everyday and not plants, vehicles and waste. Now that's what I would argue...js

 

[ATCBigE]

 

[ATCBigE]

Oh please let me present “The Facts” before the arbitrator.
1) Yes the Usps is in the red by 10 billion dollars
2) Yes the Usps paid out billions of dollars in overtime in the last few years
3) Yes the Usps can raise the Usps rates any time they prove to the board of directors that they need to raise their rates
4) The Usps couldn’t hire enough rcas or regular carriers, they had nobody to run routes and had to (contrary to the contract) force regular carriers to run extra routes which cost them dearly, according to FEDERAL LAW
5) The reason the Usps couldn’t hire enough Rcas and couldn’t replace the regular carriers that were quitting, due to the excessively high workload, is because the current Usps wages for regular and rca carriers has not kept up with INFLATION and has CAUSED in part the $10 billion loss.
There were Rcas being paid $7/ hour more than current RCAs in 2010
6) Therefore the lack of a just and fair wage for rural carriers, due to poor Usps management assigned contract negotiators, IS THE REASON the Usps is $10 billion in the red.
7) It is our suggestion that the Usps increase the wages of all rural carriers to a minimum of 5% above inflation. End the table Two wage plague and thereby create a workforce that again sees value in working for the Usps
8) All of these increases in wages could easily be earned through fairly charging ALL USPS customers equally for the services provided. Non-profit/political, large mailers, (like Amazon) paying at least a 50% of what every other Usps customer pays would pay for all necessary monies needed for fair wages to be paid to all Usps employees.

I agree with you. I just laugh because you know that is what they will argue the USPS will and depending how smart our arbitrator is, we could get screwed.

 

[justacarrier]

Membership rejects tentative collective bargaining agreement


Reopen the discussion on this since @Ruralinfo had to restore the site and it got deleted.

I'm not shocked it got rejected, but what really shocked me was the results.

23K YES
64K NO

Will it go to arbitration??? The real question with that is how do they look at IF IT GETS THAT FAR.

Do they look at the side of 1.3% raise a year comparing to the huge inflation numbers???

Do they look at USPS "10 billion dollar loss last year" and say 1.3% is fair???

I really don't care what the NALC does or doesn't do but I just have to ask this. Why does everyone bing up inflation when discussing the 1.3% increase? They maintained the COLA's which is what takes the inflation into account. I just don't understand why that is never brought up, it is a really big deal! The danger of an arbitrator is that he may raise the 1.3% but will he maintain COLA?