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Cut routes gained tons. Added routes lost a lot.

Here's a good way to look at these route adjustments. It's the same as you moving to another address BUT all of your possessions and belongings are at your old address. Yes, you are eating and sleeping at the new address but everything you use, need, etc. is at the old address. That's the way these adjustments went. Think of the data for each address as your belongings. They moved the address but NOT the data.
 
neciat said:
Here's a good way to look at these route adjustments. It's the same as you moving to another address BUT all of your possessions and belongings are at your old address. Yes, you are eating and sleeping at the new address but everything you use, need, etc. is at the old address. That's the way these adjustments went. Think of the data for each address as your belongings. They moved the address but NOT the data.
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That makes total sense.
My problem with the exempting idea is any new possessions on existing addresses wouldn't get added either. It makes the route basically stuck in a paper-made evaluation zone that may or may not be correct.
It's only for a year though, so it might not be too bad. 🤷‍♀️

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How I understand this system....
It's not us personally that have rights to the volumes. It's the route that has the volumes and the carriers just get the evaluation pay associated from the evaluated volumes.

From my understanding (if that is correct)
Should carriers reap pay benefits from the removed territory leaving behind volumes and the receiver routes having to build and wait for the routes to evaluate higher? 🤷‍♀️
 
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I know when this all started I was working my tail off through volumes and not getting properly paid for them. I managed to overperform to keep my hours down below my pay evaluation. Surely, some days, I would have pushed the safety limit on my performance to get through it all at a reasonable hour. At that same time, there were routes evaluated higher than mine and not getting the volume I was getting but getting a higher pay. After a year the tables turned and the volumes/pay was corrected.
I just had to wait it out. So it kind of irks me this has surfaced as a problem now when I was experiencing this same thing back then.
Why was there no concern back then?
 
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With changes I made to my route LoT wise. I still get plenty of bundles no where near In correct order. We still have mailers who have not updated it either address or amount needed. Have gained 150+ cbu and curb boxes residential since I took over. LoT changes were about 5 months ago, cbu and curb 4 months and 100+ was done little over 2 months ago.
 
LouSainus said:
The routes that got cut recently all gained 5+ hours in my office all 43/44s to 48s. One had 940 boxes before cuts then was cut to 620 as 43K now way above 48k again. The routes that received territory all lost. One went from 39H to 43K from territory added now is back down to 40H despite having 1,150 deliveries. Another from 43h to 44k after adds to 40j

Something is not correct in system and data is still applying to old routes evaluations. Supervisor said new stuff added to routes the data is all zeros until it's been on the route for 52 weeks. Also said data doesn't fall off for 52 weeks either
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Just when I thought I heard it all
 
neciat said:
This issue / topic was known long ago. There seemed to be problems with the RECEIVING route instantaneously gaining the time from the DONATING route. And , as far as I am aware and I could be mistaken, any adjustments that were performed were not done " the RRECS way". There is quite a bit of info and input on this subject. Click on below ;

Jiminy Christmas

Thread 'Route adjustments and creation of new routes under RRECS'

It seems to me the post office is going to be masking a fraud here with the way RRECS establishes route evaluations.

Under the old system, when you added boxes, your evaluation was "pro-rated" based on future expectations based on the average of your route.

Under RRECS, if you add new territory, you don't see an increase in your evaluation until you have a 6/12 month history.

So basically this means that RRECS implies that any new route should be paid $0 for 6 months, 50% for the next 6 months, and then 100% after there is a full history to be paid on.

But that's impossible. So...
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You are absolutely right again Neciat! The union doesn't care that this is happening. They don't understand it and they are in agreement with USPS apparently. It is happening to me right now. I am not the only one, but there aren't many in my district as there were not that many newly created routes.
They put a new route up for bid at a k route and then it drops 12 standard hours and falls to, I don't even know anymore what it is, I have heard so many different things from different people. I still don't know what is going to happen but for now I have to suck up this HUGE loss and do more than 12 hours of work every week for free.

The Unions response is "well it will only be for 6 months and then it will go up some." "That's how rrecs works, there's just no data." they say. Well, HOW did they come up with this route in the first place and say it was a k route??? There had to be data then right? WHY are they not using that data? WHY can't anyone comprehend this?? Why did they allow this to happen? And there is no grievance.
 
Sunofa said:
You are absolutely right again Neciat! The union doesn't care that this is happening. They don't understand it and they are in agreement with USPS apparently. It is happening to me right now. I am not the only one, but there aren't many in my district as there were not that many newly created routes.
They put a new route up for bid at a k route and then it drops 12 standard hours and falls to, I don't even know anymore what it is, I have heard so many different things from different people. I still don't know what is going to happen but for now I have to suck up this HUGE loss and do more than 12 hours of work every week for free.

The Unions response is "well it will only be for 6 months and then it will go up some." "That's how rrecs works, there's just no data." they say. Well, HOW did they come up with this route in the first place and say it was a k route??? There had to be data then right? WHY are they not using that data? WHY can't anyone comprehend this?? Why did they allow this to happen? And there is no grievance.
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I certainly won't be able to afford the union dues either!
 
Voglio-il mio said:
The capabilities to have 12 months worth of data stored for each address would be impossible (millions of addresses) with the technology the USPS has.
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Well then don't do it that way. Find a different way. Why does so many people think it's ok to severely cheat some carriers out of work they are doing?? Why can't the PM put in some additional 8127 time for the loss? Or give assistance daily?
 
jsthere723 said:
I have a solution proposal. See whether it makes sense or not . It is not perfect. But closer to reality .
1. They always cut and transfer within 4 to 6 weeks after the mms .
2. Then the cut or added routes are exempted from the next mms . So both the routes in your example remains 43k for next 11 months
3. Then they take part in mms after 11 months .

In the meantime, for this mms , I think the offices ( at least the routes ) involved in cut and transfer mms results will be invalidated. I think it’s headed that way . I don’t know what other way they they can invalidate this kind of injustice
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I wish I had people like you and others here on my side. There is no one here that can help me now.
 
Sunofa said:
You are absolutely right again Neciat! The union doesn't care that this is happening. They don't understand it and they are in agreement with USPS apparently. It is happening to me right now. I am not the only one, but there aren't many in my district as there were not that many newly created routes.
They put a new route up for bid at a k route and then it drops 12 standard hours and falls to, I don't even know anymore what it is, I have heard so many different things from different people. I still don't know what is going to happen but for now I have to suck up this HUGE loss and do more than 12 hours of work every week for free.

The Unions response is "well it will only be for 6 months and then it will go up some." "That's how rrecs works, there's just no data." they say. Well, HOW did they come up with this route in the first place and say it was a k route??? There had to be data then right? WHY are they not using that data? WHY can't anyone comprehend this?? Why did they allow this to happen? And there is no grievance.
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Unions for supervisor
 
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