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MNPostman

New member
Since none of us can go back in time, you should start scanning correctly tomorrow. If they were to show a change when you started being paid "from the scanner" info, I would expect that they would claim you are doing more/extra to bump you wages up. We are paid to scan correctly, it would be wise to do it.
I don't think we are getting paid to scan at door now, think it was brought up by PM after count we should start scanning at door? I could be wrong. I just think its a big hassle to lug this scanner around when u got to bring 3-4 packages also, have to get a belt holder I guess.
 

MNPostman

New member
Other then scanning package at drop place, anything else I should be doing as we prepare for this new RRECS system?

I don't think this RRECs system is gonna favor my route, currently a 44k. 116 miles about 420 boxes. Medium volume and low parcels(10-20 dismounts a day). Other carriers use to always tell me "you want a route with the most miles you can get". Not sure that gonna be the case anymore with RRECS.

So instead of 2 or 4 week counts, RRECS is all the time? So our salary gonna change yearly, monthly, weekly based on how that period went on RRECS?

Thanks and enjoying this site for a new regular carrier:)
 

PastOThirty

Well-known member
Iirc, bi-annually, excluding Christmas overtime, as if there was a spring count and a fall count every year based on last 24 weeks, adjusting salary (and aux assistance qualification and overtime rate leading into Christmas) twice a year.
 

DB.Cooper

Well-known member
Peeps will do what gets them paid... and that's a known fact... if and when peeps start getting paid for actual stops, then every box will be stopped at... no mail, well, I guess the flag must have been up... and yes, this will slow carriers and reduce our efficiency... is that really what they want, decreased efficiency and speed??? :unsure:
 

Oi veh.

Moderator
Staff member
union rep of "pm" clerks etc. are supposed to be present during mapping.
Interesting. Especially the clerk part. Somethng sounds jacked up.

or a carrier who is not comfortable fingering the mail while driving in said conditions? guilty as charged while driving and fingering the mail, saves me at least an hour, and hate it when the roads are bad, i like getting done before dark.
Oh. my. goodness. :eek: Don't be so blase about it in public - you can get in a heap of trouble, including being fired, for that. Not to mention putting your life and others in danger. The goal is to safely go home to your loved ones every night.
 

Rt2mailman

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Mnpostman, it is possible your route won't be "favored" by the RRECS system. If you've been paid to drive at 30 miles/hour, but actually are averaging 40, and delivering few parcels that require getting out, you most likely are beating your evaluation and would be paid less under RECCS.
 
I don't think we are getting paid to scan at door now, think it was brought up by PM after count we should start scanning at door? I could be wrong. I just think its a big hassle to lug this scanner around when u got to bring 3-4 packages also, have to get a belt holder I guess.
When a customer calls in about where a parcel was delivered because they can't find it. PM will pull it up on the computer and it will show you delivered it in the street or in the yard. The ping on the map will be where your scan is started. If you start it at the mailbox and find it won't fit and go to the door and finish the scan it will show you delivered it to the mailbox. If you drive .4 miles to the house and scan it in the vehicle then leave it at the door it will show you delivered it in the driveway.
You should get into a habit/rhythm of starting your scan where you will deliver it. You may be "tracked" for 2 weeks for RRECS to determine where you are delivering, when it is implemented.
NOW would be a good time to start your scans where you deliver them.
 
I don't think we are getting paid to scan at door now, think it was brought up by PM after count we should start scanning at door? I could be wrong. I just think its a big hassle to lug this scanner around when u got to bring 3-4 packages also, have to get a belt holder I guess.
Two reasons to scan at the door. It protects you in case the customer wants to know where the package was left and it will get you paid correctly for delivery of that package. Yes it is easier to scan in your vehicle and carriers try to find all kinds of reasons why they don't want to carry it to the door but it's not that hard to handle. I did it that way for years while my route was being studied for RRECS. I dismounted for many more parcels than you do and carried it each and every day for every parcel to not only get my times right but for carriers across the country depending on us doing it the right way for the study. Get a winter coat that has pockets big enough to carry the scanner, just carry it on your other hand, or put it around your wrist if you need both hands to carry the parcel. If a broken down 62 year old carrier can do it, anyone can.
 

MNPostman

New member
Two reasons to scan at the door. It protects you in case the customer wants to know where the package was left and it will get you paid correctly for delivery of that package. Yes it is easier to scan in your vehicle and carriers try to find all kinds of reasons why they don't want to carry it to the door but it's not that hard to handle. I did it that way for years while my route was being studied for RRECS. I dismounted for many more parcels than you do and carried it each and every day for every parcel to not only get my times right but for carriers across the country depending on us doing it the right way for the study. Get a winter coat that has pockets big enough to carry the scanner, just carry it on your other hand, or put it around your wrist if you need both hands to carry the parcel. If a broken down 62 year old carrier can do it, anyone can.
You're right, it's not that big of a deal. I will start scanning at door starting today. I guess old habits die hard why I haven't yet. ;)
 

DB.Cooper

Well-known member
Mnpostman, it is possible your route won't be "favored" by the RRECS system. If you've been paid to drive at 30 miles/hour, but actually are averaging 40, and delivering few parcels that require getting out, you most likely are beating your evaluation and would be paid less under RECCS.
So, are peeps saying they're gonna base our drive times on what we have been actually driving??? I thought they had all of these arcane drive speed standards depending upon distance between stops... which is another argument to making a lot of stops... which leads to slower times and less efficiency... yeah, it sounds like it's gonna be a nightmare... 👹
 

Boston65

Member
When the route has been plotted, it will take the posted speed along with traffic points like signal lights, stop signs, etc. You will scan when you are actually starting the route (at the exit of your PO). The system will assign time values to every stop based on your start time. It will factor in the traffic. What will change is when you dismount for parcel delivery or certified. Time values will reconfigure. If you deviate your route, you will scan a begin deviation scan, then scan an end scan once you are back on official line of travel. You will also scan out for lunch, then back in from lunch. This will be an every day thing so you will actually get paid for what you do.
 

DB.Cooper

Well-known member
Sounds like a great opportunity to miss a LOT of scans... so now not only do you have to worry about all of the parcels and mail scans, you got all of these other scans as potentials to be missed... yeah, buddy... fun times ahead... Geezy Louisy... :oops:

Do we at least get an extra hour or so for all of the extra scanning??? :unsure:
 
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I still scan all my packages in car then deliver. We don't have to start scanning at drop place until our route is mapped correct? Then can't track them without map? Or should I be scanning them at drop spot now?
We were told DO NOT scan pkg until you are placing them on porch etc, mailbox. They have shown me on the computer, It will show where I park, then it will have a larger blue dot at where I put the package. I have seen a Ariel view of a house and a big blue dot at the porch, garage, where I left it.
 

Voglio-il mio

Active member
So instead of 2 or 4 week counts, RRECS is all the time? So our salary gonna change yearly, monthly, weekly based on how that period went on RRECS?
This question was asked at one of our State conventions to a member of the National Board. I think it was either Clifford or Jonny I don't remember, but anyway the responce was that they didn't know how offen salary would be updated! You would think that would be an important detail that has been worked out and that someone in their position would have a definate answer to. I would think that it should be tied to the date the Carrier made Regular and adjusted no more than bi-annually with annually being my choice for personel budgeting purposes.
 
When the route has been plotted, it will take the posted speed along with traffic points like signal lights, stop signs, etc. You will scan when you are actually starting the route (at the exit of your PO). The system will assign time values to every stop based on your start time. It will factor in the traffic. What will change is when you dismount for parcel delivery or certified. Time values will reconfigure. If you deviate your route, you will scan a begin deviation scan, then scan an end scan once you are back on official line of travel. You will also scan out for lunch, then back in from lunch. This will be an every day thing so you will actually get paid for what you do.
So true, It even tells us if the road is paved or gravel, etc. train tracks school zones. It's bizarre.
 
Sounds like a great opportunity to miss a LOT of scans... so now not only do you have to worry about all of the parcels and mail scans, you got all of these other scans as potentials to be miss... yeah, buddy... fun times ahead... Geezy Louisy... :oops:

Do we at least get an extra hour or so for all of the extra scanning??? :unsure:
It gives you a set time for each scan, even if you have to enter it manually. Same as how we get paid so much time per box. We have to review entries on scans on our scanners and compare them with the parcel count that we have for the day. If I remember correctly it was like a small few cents that is added for the extra scans for study, it's so small you wouldn't even notice it on your pay stub, It used to say at bottom of stub, Form 8127 being processed. Now recently that has disappeared. But it's so small you wouldn't notice it. LOL.
 
Knowing a mapper (union member in good standing that applied for the position, that has many openings still available for any of us to apply) the reason given for the delay was the refresher (computer) course was not operating correctly.
The reason scanners don't pick up in areas with no cell service is because they are linked in by cell tower, not satelite. They "project" in areas with out cell coverage and are quite accurate, but not prefect.
Scanners "ping" every minute or more when an action (scanning) is applied. They are generally accurate within 8 feet. They continuously leave a trail of blue dots (bread crumbs) every minute or less. After a 2 week period the bigger blue dots are usually box stops, traffic stops, break spots, or some other regular "pit" stop point. That's how they can tell if a carrier regularly runs a stop sign, no conglomeration of blue dots, no stop.
The delivery point scan is especially important to do correctly, because during the mapping, when you show where you deliver packages, there should be a blue dot there or nearby. If only at the place you park, that looks like "that" is your delivery point. The scanner info also shows if you back up in your vehicle, or if you are walking. You may have noticed safety talks have changed from NEVER BACK to back safely, after "seeing" there are good reasons to back.
With much of this scanner knowledge you are able to have some fun with the district scanner watchers, as has been posted on other threads. I can't wait to try the one DB has mentioned, tying a 10 foot rope to your scanner strap and swinging it around your head for a few minutes, when ever you stop and no people are home.
In the beginning we used to have a gps disc we had to pair with our scanners, we had to have it on our dashboards, that went on for a few years, our disc had a "pairing number" that communicated with our scanners, now we don't have those. It used to say continue without pairing, we just said yes. So true RT2mailman, we have tons of dead spots on our rts. no cell service, I remember in the very beginning they gave us a cell phone to carry before we got the scanners, Guess they figured out how useless that was, wonder how much money was spent on those cell phones that don't exsist anymore, along with our "old scanners". I wish we were back in the days of when we had NO scanners, we had to write up a 3849 on every package and accountable mail piece, with the tracking numbers from the parcel or etc, and logged that info "by hand" into the accountable book, then customer signed 3849, we came back with 3849, and checked them off in the log book. We just did what we do best back then, deliver mail and parcels and provided excellent customer service, and provided our rural customers all the same services that they could get at the post office.
 
Knowing a mapper (union member in good standing that applied for the position, that has many openings still available for any of us to apply) the reason given for the delay was the refresher (computer) course was not operating correctly.
The reason scanners don't pick up in areas with no cell service is because they are linked in by cell tower, not satelite. They "project" in areas with out cell coverage and are quite accurate, but not prefect.
Scanners "ping" every minute or more when an action (scanning) is applied. They are generally accurate within 8 feet. They continuously leave a trail of blue dots (bread crumbs) every minute or less. After a 2 week period the bigger blue dots are usually box stops, traffic stops, break spots, or some other regular "pit" stop point. That's how they can tell if a carrier regularly runs a stop sign, no conglomeration of blue dots, no stop.
The delivery point scan is especially important to do correctly, because during the mapping, when you show where you deliver packages, there should be a blue dot there or nearby. If only at the place you park, that looks like "that" is your delivery point. The scanner info also shows if you back up in your vehicle, or if you are walking. You may have noticed safety talks have changed from NEVER BACK to back safely, after "seeing" there are good reasons to back.
With much of this scanner knowledge you are able to have some fun with the district scanner watchers, as has been posted on other threads. I can't wait to try the one DB has mentioned, tying a 10 foot rope to your scanner strap and swinging it around your head for a few minutes, when ever you stop and no people are home.
Love DB idea, let me know more ideas, I love making them think !!!!!!!! for a change
 

Shafted

Well-known member
Well here’s my question since my degree is not in engineering. Without a geotag in the llv, HOW does the scanner know I walked from a park point to the door or that the vehicle was moving slowly once I left the delivery point at the box. Speed on a scanner of movement does not account for WHAT is moving, me or a vehicle. The plotted points we set on mapping, (I’m a study office) make every to the door delivery assume the same thing is always going to occur. We all know this never happens.
 
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