Route Cut Procedure

Morty

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What's the procedure for cutting routes? I've a 45k and so far it's pushing 49k.

When I had my route measured, my pm said I may have to be cut bc I'd go to 46k, my ADR said there was no where to put the excess.

Does excess go only to other reg routes or can it go to aux rts? 

The most logical part to cut is within a 200 box section. It has low miles, but 1/2 the pkg and 2 letters per box. The other 300 boxes get 1.3 letters per box and the other half of pkg.

Is there a way that they cut by accurate volume? Like if they want to cut the logical section, can i demand a count of that section to verify they are taking 5hr, and not 10hr in volume so i dont get hosed when the study is implemented?
 

Rt2mailman

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Short answer, no. You can make written recommendations for safety reasons what should/shouldn't be cut, but no common sense reasons like you mentioned are usually ever heeded.

Cuts are made after a route grows past a 46k route. Cuts are made, anymore by a computer program that "decides" the most economical subtractions to the route , which can be overridden by common sense or safety reasons. Box factor is what is considered and yours will be higher before the cut than after if you lose your volume area. It is possible for a route to be allowed to stay in an overburden status, if the carrier had proven that route can be carried "as is"  under 2080 hours /year, and the area needing to be cut would cost the USPS more in over time it it went to another route. 
 

12345

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Are you the only route with the big change in your evaluation.? If you read all posts on this site you find all kinds of crazy things happen. Crossing boundaries or leaving you as a huge route or maybe trying to set up a little contract route.

Also remember another five days to count. Maybe someone from the New England Patriots will show up and let a little air out of the ball.
 

D.B.Cooper

Active member
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>12345 said </strong>
Are you the only route with the big change in your evaluation.? If you read all posts on this site you find all kinds of crazy things happen. Crossing boundaries or leaving you as a huge route or maybe trying to set up a little contract route.

Also remember another five days to count. <span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>Maybe someone from the New England Patriots will show up and let a little air out of the ball.  </strong></span></blockquote>
Yeah, I figure there's somebody at District that has an eye on that air pressure gauge needle... they can probably bleed off a little pressure if need be...  <img title="Surprised" alt="Surprised" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-surprised.gif" />
 

btdtret

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Morty -- "What’s the procedure for cutting routes? I’ve a 45k and so far it’s pushing 49k."

--  Overburdened routes, in the true sense - over 57:36 standard hours - usually get cut back to 43-hour routes. ( or lower, if operational advantage ( to the USPS  Step 4 ( R-134 ) but will require documentation why there is a need to go lower ).

--  Don't forget page 45 of the contract -- Carrier's Rights in Route Adjustments.

"Does excess go only to other reg routes or can it go to aux rts? "

--  That is manglement's problem.   If the excess area is large enough, an AUX could be created.  ( min  of 10 or 12 hours a week -- anyone? )  Probably something manglement would like to avoid.  

"Is there a way that they cut by accurate volume?"

--  Manglement may call upon your esteemed knowledge of your customer's mail volume to that to happen.   Case in point:   manglement took off an entire court ( 25 addresses ) from my route.   One street away from the court, those 10 addresses got much more volume.   It will be a crap shoot if manglement does the adjustment.  Might just come down to addresses near to another route that could take your deliveries -- if that route could release some addresses on another section of the route to another route.   Can get complicated!

" Like if they want to cut the logical section, can i demand a count of that section to verify they are taking 5hr, and not 10hr in volume so i dont get hosed when the study is implemented?"

--  As previously noted, your knowledge will determine if they take 5 hours or 10 hours in volume.  How do you plan to "count" that section?  Doing it daily, piece by piece?
 

gotstamps

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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Morty said </strong>
What's the procedure for cutting routes? I've a 45k and so far it's pushing 49k.

When I had my route measured, my pm said I may have to be cut bc I'd go to 46k, my ADR said there was no where to put the excess.

Does excess go only to other reg routes or can it go to aux rts? 

The most logical part to cut is within a 200 box section. It has low miles, but 1/2 the pkg and 2 letters per box. The other 300 boxes get 1.3 letters per box and the other half of pkg.

Is there a way that they cut by accurate volume? Like if they want to cut the logical section, can i demand a count of that section to verify they are taking 5hr, and not 10hr in volume so i dont get hosed when the study is implemented?  </blockquote>
An Auxiliary can be created by multiple overburdened routes or even 1 (highly unlikely) and MUST be a minimum of 12 hrs (2/day).

The most mgmt can cut to is 43K unless proper reasoning & documentation is submitted or the carrier approves to lower. A computer program calculates how much needs to be cut . Carriers are supposed to be allowed to submit suggested territory cuts but mgmt does NOT have to use the suggestions. The cuts do not allow for high volume areas vs low volume areas... you get what you get. No you cannot request a "count" of the cut territory so if you lose "heavy hitters" then BINGO! But if you lose low volume peeps then you lose until the study is implemented as you'll likely be working close to or over your eval every week.
 

PastOThirty

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The program does not take modern considerations into account.  

Disproportionately high parcel volume areas carry the same default weight as low volume areas, so you can end up with some routes having twice to three or four times the spatial volume and often quantity of parcels.  Eg last round of adjustments left us with one route that barely got a hamper of parcels, one that got two, three that got three, and three that normally until count had four or more overflowing hampers.  The preliminary adjustments before carrier comment would have made it comically much worse for all but two routes.  

The goals of the employer/adjuster were to minimize miles, keep routes tightly clustered to the line of travel trunks, and take some consideration into account for future growth and future cuts.
 

Morty

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Reading more I see that 43k is the lowest they can go, but realistically that much can't be cut if my volume remains as it has for the past 2 years. 

Now I must prepare a letter to plead my case. 
 

MiddleOfNowhere

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<em>Reading more I see that 43k is the lowest they can go, but realistically that much can’t be cut if my volume remains as it has for the past 2 year</em>s

curious as to why you don't think that much can be cut?   i currently have around 380 boxes on a high mileage route.  i'm thinking that i'm probably going to be giving up at least 70 boxes, after count.  20 cbu, and 50 curbside.  that may not be enough, as i'm currently pushing 58 actual weekly hours.   i've never come close to having 2080 issues.  maybe 1800-1900 hours a year max.
 

gmail28

New member
Three of the routes in my office went well into the 50s and close to 60s. When asked if they will be cut (I am the aux and would enjoy the added work) the pm said no unless the carriers desire to do so. 

'Can the pm decide NOT to cut overburdened routes?
 

MiddleOfNowhere

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When asked if they will be cut (I am the aux and would enjoy the added work) the pm said no unless the carriers desire to do so. 

maybe this ts true, but my question is, is there a way to pay the carriers outside of the pay table?  or do they just get a max of 48 hours pay?
 

gotstamps

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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>gmail28 said </strong>
Three of the routes in my office went well into the 50s and close to 60s. When asked if they will be cut (I am the aux and would enjoy the added work) the pm said no unless the carriers desire to do so. 

'Can the pm decide NOT to cut overburdened routes?  </blockquote>
Not if district has anything to say about it. Most (maybe all) districts are calling for all overburdened routes to be cut to 43K. Mgmt can submit cuts but if it isn't 43K, they might get rejected & returned for further cutting. 

The most a carrier can be paid is a 48K no matter how far over the "route hours" go.
 

PastOThirty

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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>gmail28 said </strong>
Three of the routes in my office went well into the 50s and close to 60s. When asked if they will be cut (I am the aux and would enjoy the added work) the pm said no unless the carriers desire to do so. 

'Can the pm decide NOT to cut overburdened routes?  </blockquote>
Those routes that are over 48k should ask for and receive daily relief until adjustments are in place.
 

Deer Smearer

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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>PastOThirty said </strong>

Those routes that are over 48k should ask for and receive daily relief until adjustments are in place.  </blockquote>
They should, but contractually they are only entitled to relief for the hours worked over 48.

I've also read, but haven't found documentation, that subs on routes over 48K that are flagged for adjustment, are entitled to additional compensation above the 9.6 daily hours.
 

backroads

New member
After count my rt went from a 45k to a 48. Now that they  adjusted  the rts in the office I went down to a 41k. Another carrier in the office went from a 47k after count and got adjusted to a 45k Can they do that??
 

neciat

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@Morty I posted these just a couple days ago as someone else was asking about route "adjustments" , I mean PAY adjustments. Anyhow, you could use these and add to the part that mentions automation " to include sufficient buffer pending the outcome of RRECS evaluations " or something similar.
 

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Charlie Brown

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It's never fair...they cut me down to raise someone up...it's never balanced...why do THEY get the raise and I get the salary cut...it's all such horsesh**
Often times it does make sense. If your route has growth on it sometimes it's easiest to cut something off the beginning or end of your route and put it on another route. It can be a PIA to do route adjustments and Mgmt. doesn't want to be doing them every few months. So they cut a big chunk of your route because they know that your growth will bring you back up, eventually.
 
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