Step 4 – Start times and additional trips

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There are three issues in dispute in this grievance: 1) starting times for rural carriers, 2) rural carriers being required to leave for the street at a pre determined time and 3) rural carriers making an additional trip to deliver parcels because parcel distribution was not complete before leaving to service the route
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Step 4 - Start times and additional trips

There are three issues in dispute in this grievance: 1) starting times for rural carriers, 2) rural carriers being required to leave for the street at a pre det
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Basically, it's hiding the sausage. Only those carriers who absolutely stood their ground and recorded wait time will be paid. Those who " chose" to deliver and return when parcels were done are hung out to dry.
It's a sad case of a tiny portion of those who truly understand the rural system will benefit. Because they took the required time to show the error of the system.
 
Gotrope said:
Basically, it's hiding the sausage. Only those carriers who absolutely stood their ground and recorded wait time will be paid. Those who " chose" to deliver and return when parcels were done are hung out to dry.
It's a sad case of a tiny portion of those who truly understand the rural system will benefit. Because they took the required time to show the error of the system.
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I wonder where the disagreement was in the lower steps. 🤔

I don't see how the "no national interpretive issue" line fits... unless combining previous resolved issues U, B, M, and D manifest into a "new" DUMB issue. 🤔

I'm sure pounding the ol' "Come to your local union meetings!" drum in Phoenix will drown out any local objections to this settlement. 🤷‍♂️
 
All -- The "new" Step 4 regarding start times, leaving for the streets, and additional trips.

-- I could think of stronger terms than "neciat's" "my parcel hamper !!! All old and supposedly previously resolved issues."!!

-- And Dominator's: "Is there any new dispute resolved here or is this just a composite of grievances previously resolved?"

-- Anyone know when this started? Or how much time and money was spent on it?

-- Seems a lot of the wording in the new Step 4 has already been stated ( or nearly so ) in previous settlements or other publications.

-- Scheduling: Step 4 ( S-18 ) of 15 JULY 2005 / The National Agreement's Article 8.2 and Article 30.1.G / Section 332 of the M-28

-- Delay in leaving for the streets: Section 152.2 of the PO-603

-- Additional trip / waiting payment: Step 4 ( W-9 ) of 26 MARCH 2013

-- Maybe the line "After reviewing this matter, we mutually agree that no national interpretive issue is fairly presented in this case." should be changed to "....fairly presented in favor of the USPS in this case."
 
Gotrope said:
Basically, it's hiding the sausage. Only those carriers who absolutely stood their ground and recorded wait time will be paid. Those who " chose" to deliver and return when parcels were done are hung out to dry.
It's a sad case of a tiny portion of those who truly understand the rural system will benefit. Because they took the required time to show the error of the system.
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Every year in the fall our truck starts coming in late. I’m sick of it. I wait anywhere from 20 minute to 2 hrs for the mail to arrive. It’s Christmas and it get dark at 4:30. It’s the worst time of year for trucks to be late, and they can’t say it’s the roads or weather. We haven’t gotten any real snow yet.

I have been recording my wait time everyday for the last month and requesting to be paid for it. As I suspected district wants to change my start time…instead of addressing the issue of the truck being late everyday.

I told my PM fine, let them change it. But when I have to detour back everyday to drop off my outgoing mail. They are going to end up paying me the same amount or more. As I will be putting in my time to drive back and my mileage.

I have now contacted multiple offices of my distribution route to ask if they have been putting in wait time. I’m not surprised how many responded….we can get paid for waiting? My hope is that if every carrier on this route puts in the wait time they will actually resolve the issue. Which is 90% of the time district holding the trucks for one reason or another.
 
Beanut said:
Every year in the fall our truck starts coming in late. I’m sick of it. I wait anywhere from 20 minute to 2 hrs for the mail to arrive. It’s Christmas and it get dark at 4:30. It’s the worst time of year for trucks to be late, and they can’t say it’s the roads or weather. We haven’t gotten any real snow yet.

I have been recording my wait time everyday for the last month and requesting to be paid for it. As I suspected district wants to change my start time…instead of addressing the issue of the truck being late everyday.

I told my PM fine, let them change it. But when I have to detour back everyday to drop off my outgoing mail. They are going to end up paying me the same amount or more. As I will be putting in my time to drive back and my mileage.

I have now contacted multiple offices of my distribution route to ask if they have been putting in wait time. I’m not surprised how many responded….we can get paid for waiting? My hope is that if every carrier on this route puts in the wait time they will actually resolve the issue. Which is 90% of the time district holding the trucks for one reason or another.
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my time got changed because of the exact same reason. we do not have outgoing trucks in the p.m., so no going back to meet dispatch. however, it gets dark earlier, therefore slowing me down and now they want to squawk about that.

these morons do not understand a flipping thing. the way to make the trucks run on time is to pay out a bunch of wait time all over the district. then MPOO asks what's going on, he/she is told, he/she goes lights a fire under plant manager's behind. that's old school. new type of management can't manage their way out of a paper bag. and rurals shoot themselves in the foot because we don't band together. you better believe city does.

surely the new PMG will do something about his inept and incompetent management force... :rolleyes:
 
Beanut said:
Every year in the fall our truck starts coming in late. I’m sick of it. I wait anywhere from 20 minute to 2 hrs for the mail to arrive. It’s Christmas and it get dark at 4:30. It’s the worst time of year for trucks to be late, and they can’t say it’s the roads or weather. We haven’t gotten any real snow yet.

I have been recording my wait time everyday for the last month and requesting to be paid for it. As I suspected district wants to change my start time…instead of addressing the issue of the truck being late everyday.

I told my PM fine, let them change it. But when I have to detour back everyday to drop off my outgoing mail. They are going to end up paying me the same amount or more. As I will be putting in my time to drive back and my mileage.

I have now contacted multiple offices of my distribution route to ask if they have been putting in wait time. I’m not surprised how many responded….we can get paid for waiting? My hope is that if every carrier on this route puts in the wait time they will actually resolve the issue. Which is 90% of the time district holding the trucks for one reason or another.
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Once again the bold, instead of fixing the issue, they screw the carrier over.

Someone explain this to me. Less mail and packages than before YET TRUCKS ARE STILL CONSTANTLY LATE.
 
damifiknow said:
looks to me like the union caved-surrendered. just like the rep told me they are and would.
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What was the union's desired outcome on this one? 🤔 I see it more as an exercise in futility rather than caving/surrendering. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe this is one of those "we gotta look busy" settlements. The conveyer for step-4 resolutions has been constipated for some time.
 
Dominator said:
What was the union's desired outcome on this one? 🤔 I see it more as an exercise in futility rather than caving/surrendering. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe this is one of those "we gotta look busy" settlements. The conveyer for step-4 resolutions has been constipated for some time.
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Desired outcome????


Just to get them done and not care about the result.
 
ATCBigE said:
Desired outcome????


Just to get them done and not care about the result.
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Hopefully not, but if that were the case, I don't think it would have made it to 4. I think they would have tanked it at 2 for "language" since (as it so appears to me) this settlement neither adds nor subtracts from settlements currently existing. 🤷‍♂️

Who knows. 🤷‍♂️
 
Ruralinfo said:
There are three issues in dispute in this grievance: 1) starting times for rural carriers, 2) rural carriers being required to leave for the street at a pre determined time and 3) rural carriers making an additional trip to deliver parcels because parcel distribution was not complete before leaving to service the route
www.ruralinfo.net

Step 4 - Start times and additional trips

There are three issues in dispute in this grievance: 1) starting times for rural carriers, 2) rural carriers being required to leave for the street at a pre det
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Our postmaster is cramming parcels down our throats.they are going over the parcel limit per day for sorting and making us go over evaluation
 
Dominator said:
What was the union's desired outcome on this one? 🤔 I see it more as an exercise in futility rather than caving/surrendering. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe this is one of those "we gotta look busy" settlements. The conveyer for step-4 resolutions has been constipated for some time.
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The WHOLE DANG UNION IS CONSTIPATED....😡😡😡🤠
 
Been getting wait time for last few months daily. Pm just pays me vs fighting it, start time got moved fought it ended up getting moved up 30 min vs 1.5 hrs district wanted. I still get wait time everyday 😂. Plus second trip pay 🤷‍♂️, I come out ahead time paid vs spent everyday.
 
Of course they dont have a parcel limit, and you all full well know this....give coleen a break....she's probably only got a few years in here, and there's a lot to learn....😐😐😐🤠 FYI Coleen, there is no parcel limit, they can give you as many parcels as they/po mgmt want to, or have available....
 
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