Two Post Office Troubles

[PackagePusher]

My route has two PO's. The first PO is a full big route in itself. This first portion alone takes me from 8 am until 4-6pm depending on the volume. The second PO takes an additional 1.5-2 hours to complete; casing, loading, etc. One thing to note is that once I leave this PO it takes me back to the first PO. I do not return to this PO. Another major point is that I arrive after 3pm when NO scanning is allowed within the PO premises. Often times I arrive at this PO after 5pm when everyone is gone.

Here is the dilemma, and the reason I will be in an Investigative Interview. I am being disciplined for scanning pkgs within the geofence after 3pm. The issue I am having is WHY is the solution to Managements problems forced on the carrier to do more work. There must be some other solution than to have me hauling 35lb dog food boxes 150 ft outside in the dark and rain, alone, just to cause the scan to be beyond the geofence so the management doesn't "get on the list". This is what they have me do. I am also required to take all NMR, Certs, Vac holds, and all other scannable pkgs with me to scan "anywhere along my route" and take back to the other PO and handle them again.

Does anyone have a solution to what is going on here? Any pointers for this Investigative Interview coming up? maybe there is even a grievance of some kind?

 

[hunchback]

There must be some other solution than to have me hauling 35lb dog food boxes 150 ft outside in the dark and rain, alone, just to cause the scan to be beyond the geofence so the management doesn't "get on the list". This is what they have me do.

I for one am confused. Why aren't you delivering the 35lb dog food boxes and scanning them at the delivery point?

 

[gotstamps]

Your Delivery Point should be mapped & all scannable items scanned at the actual Delivery Point.

IF you have an Investigative Interview, request your Union Rep to be present.
IF discipline is given, file a grievance.

 

[hunchback]

Any pointers for this Investigative Interview coming up?

You are allowed to have a union steward at the investigative interview. Have them there as a witness.
Youn are allowed to ask questions.
Ask if you are being instructed to falsify scans.
If you get a word salad answer say "I don't understand what you are saying, are you asking me to falsify scans"
Repeat as many times as necessary if you feel management is asking you to falsify scans or scan locations.
The union official will/should take notes. At any point you can ask to talk to the Union Official in private and verify they have noted the answer or non answer. If the Union Official hasn't noted it, inform them you will ask again when you return to the investigative interview so please make note of the managemdents response.
I'm still not clear why you need to scan packages 150ft from the post office, but if they are asking you to falsify scans or scan locations, get it on the record. THAT SHOULD CLEAR YOU OF WRONG DOING AND MAY ACTUALLY GET THE PROCEDURE CHANGED TO HOW IT SHOULD BE

 

[Shannonboy]

Your po mgmt are IDIOTS...
First....they are directing you to falsify scans according to what you just said....and you should not be doing that. Next step, find out who your union rep is....DO NOT GO INTO THAT INVESTIGATIVE MEETING WITHOUT ASKING FOR UNION REPRESENTATION. Do not say squat to po mgmt without the understanding that your union rep is to be present before any questions, or anything that will lead to discipline is discussed.

This is not how you do it.....
"I am also required to take all NMR, Certs, Vac holds, and all other scannable pkgs with me to scan "anywhere along my route"
WHAT THE CRAP IS THIS!!!???? If you are being directed by po mgmt to do this, you are looking at creating all kinds of trouble for yourself. Talk to another carrier about this, at another office, or yours, and ask them if this is what they do!!?? Take notes, and write down their answers. You need to get answers about what you are doing here. I'm tired, and sick, or I would elaborate, and try to help more. Take this serious, your pm may be a MORON, but the moron can, and will dump it all on you, and next thing you know, you'll be looking for another job. Be careful, look up your Weingarten rights....others here can give you more information. Great people here, just ask them, they will guide you...
Shannonboy

 

[Dominator]

@RegisteredRrecsOffender - About those barcoded pieces that you're allegedly scanning inside the geofence after 3:00 PM, since you are bringing them back to the office, had they already received an attempt scan at the piece's destination address?

Or am I misunderstanding and the situation is that once you return to office, management is giving you some additional packages to scan from a pile that never left with you when you departed to route?

 

[ATCBigE]

My route has two PO's. The first PO is a full big route in itself. This first portion alone takes me from 8 am until 4-6pm depending on the volume. The second PO takes an additional 1.5-2 hours to complete; casing, loading, etc. One thing to note is that once I leave this PO it takes me back to the first PO. I do not return to this PO. Another major point is that I arrive after 3pm when NO scanning is allowed within the PO premises. Often times I arrive at this PO after 5pm when everyone is gone.

Here is the dilemma, and the reason I will be in an Investigative Interview. I am being disciplined for scanning pkgs within the geofence after 3pm. The issue I am having is WHY is the solution to Managements problems forced on the carrier to do more work. There must be some other solution than to have me hauling 35lb dog food boxes 150 ft outside in the dark and rain, alone, just to cause the scan to be beyond the geofence so the management doesn't "get on the list". This is what they have me do. I am also required to take all NMR, Certs, Vac holds, and all other scannable pkgs with me to scan "anywhere along my route" and take back to the other PO and handle them again.

Does anyone have a solution to what is going on here? Any pointers for this Investigative Interview coming up? maybe there is even a grievance of some kind?

I want an answer to this.

Ask them this. If I have a UTF or hold and take it to my route and lose who is responsible for it if it would SOMEHOW become lost? Is it not better to have it scan at the post office where it won't have chance of being lost???? I wouldn't want that on me PERSONALLY. PLUS if you have holds or other thing and have to take it out, I assume you take it back to the office, how are you getting paid for this?????? That's an extra trip/extra work.

This is where the !#$@#%ING common sense lack in this place.

 

[PackagePusher]

I for one am confused. Why aren't you delivering the 35lb dog food boxes and scanning them at the delivery point?

Example: After I complete the “parent” route, I go to the “daughter” route. It is 5pm. After casing all mail and pkgs, I am left with 2 nmr pkgs, one large box of dog food for a house that is on vacation hold, one pkg for a house that is over .5 miles, and 2 misthrows. Since it is past 3pm, I am not allowed to scan any of these in the office, so management forces me to bring all the pkgs with me. I’m told to scan them anywhere on the route. I finish the daughter route and return back to the parent route still with these packages. Now they are scanned but in a completely different post office. The next day a big truck comes to the parent po and grabs the daughter offices mail along with my previous days holds, l/n certifieds , etc… and drops them back at the daughter po. This is the daily cycle.

The other option I have is to take each pkg (nmr, vac, l/n, etc…) walk outside about 150ft (past the geofence) and scan these pkgs here. Then I can walk them back in and leave them. This avoids bringing them to the other po and back again. I have done this with big dog food boxes, sometimes juggling 6 pkgs and two l/n slips, in the pitch black dark, pouring rain.

Why? And I am getting disciplined for not doing it right. Absurd!

 

[U caught my attention]

maybe there is even a grievance of some kind?

I wondered this too back when we were told by mpoo to do it this way in a service talk maybe close to a year ago.
I leave at 8 or 9am. I do not have a parent child route. I take all pkgs out
It does take extra time in load and EOS and I do stop at box on street; however, does the attempted scan on route give credit for all aspects of a pkg in Rrecs?

If I get partial credit for the scan because it is attempted and not delivered, then why are we being required to do the work of scanning it at location?
We might be getting zero credit for the scan, no credit for preliminary and concluding. The pkg might not be considered in the amount for collecting parcels, sorting in office, or reorganizing on street. If scanning attempted leaves all these credits out, then who is really in the wrong here because all that work was performed and maybe not credited.

In the beginning of rrecs, I used to scan all holds, utf, etc during start load, but they even took that ability away recently.

 

[She mails rural]

They calling this integrity scans. What is more integrity than scanning at the usps office? Who thinks of these stupid things? Most lack of common sense crap I've ever experienced and trust me I've experienced a lot over the years. Maybe you can scan it as customer hold then have management use their scanners they don't have integrity to worry about. They use them all day on items so they can on your items? Actual time for equipment to transport and walk distance around the block for a scan should be added to survey it would seem. Just saying idk but something has to be corrected, its not like they don't know the situation everyday

 

[U caught my attention]

They use them all day on items so they can on your items? Actual time for equipment to transport and walk distance around the block for a scan should be added to survey it would seem.

If we miss a scan, they have us do this in EOS. Take printed scan, drive outside of office geofencing and scan it however we remember we delivered it.

 

[She mails rural]

Huh omg? Well ok great more direct order of work so how are you being paid for that since your tour is over?

 

[She mails rural]

Huh omg? Well ok great more direct order of work so how are you being paid for that since your tour is over?

I don't want to hear eos duty

 

[PackagePusher]

If it's before 3 I can scan all the packages myself and deal with them appropriately. If it's after 3 and before 5, I ask the clerks to scan it with their scanners, but not mine. If it's after 5 then no one is there and that is when I have been mandated to jump through all the hoops I have been talking about. They have not added any of these "extra" duties to any of my counts. I have explained all of this to my local Union Rep and District Rep along with how I feel about this and they say, "They have you doing too much." Yes, ok. But then weeks go by, and I don't here back.

I just feel that I should be able to go into this "daughter" office and do my job as usual, absolutely no hoop jumping or anything different than any of you would normally expect to do it. Management needs to solve some of their own problems. Instead, they are manipulating the carrier's duties to correct "not getting on the list".

One last thing. They can go after me for this absurd infraction (integrity scan or failure to follow command), but they will never see any discipline for having me do these things to start with. I wish carriers had a means of recommending Investigative Interviews to managers which could lead to discipline. Grievances don't do that really. They might remedy a situation like a band aid. But where is the disciplinary action for steering and manipulating a carrier to jump through all these hoops and threaten disciplinary action when a mistake occurs? Many of the Managers I have worked with over the years should have been disciplined but never were: the carrier always got it. We need to fix this, especially when the source of the issue stems from Management.

 

[MNRuralRoute4]

If it's before 3 I can scan all the packages myself and deal with them appropriately. If it's after 3 and before 5, I ask the clerks to scan it with their scanners, but not mine. If it's after 5 then no one is there and that is when I have been mandated to jump through all the hoops I have been talking about. They have not added any of these "extra" duties to any of my counts. I have explained all of this to my local Union Rep and District Rep along with how I feel about this and they say, "They have you doing too much." Yes, ok. But then weeks go by, and I don't here back.

I just feel that I should be able to go into this "daughter" office and do my job as usual, absolutely no hoop jumping or anything different than any of you would normally expect to do it. Management needs to solve some of their own problems. Instead, they are manipulating the carrier's duties to correct "not getting on the list".

One last thing. They can go after me for this absurd infraction (integrity scan or failure to follow command), but they will never see any discipline for having me do these things to start with. I wish carriers had a means of recommending Investigative Interviews to managers which could lead to discipline. Grievances don't do that really. They might remedy a situation like a band aid. But where is the disciplinary action for steering and manipulating a carrier to jump through all these hoops and threaten disciplinary action when a mistake occurs? Many of the Managers I have worked with over the years should have been disciplined but never were: the carrier always got it. We need to fix this, especially when the source of the issue stems from Management.

I would have the clerks scan anything if you aren't there before 3. It isn't going to harm you if you make it before 5 and scan them again. This also makes sure you don't have to take them with you and delay any customers mail by making them wait until the truck re-delivers them the next day.

 

[Chemado]

I personally don't understand why we can't scan in the office after 3pm. Then when leaving the building to go around the corner to scan, to me, that's not really integrity. I had a clerk tell me once to go down the street to scan something that didn't clear and I refused. She said it would be a failure if scanned in the office. I said it's a failure if scanned anywhere besides at the house or mailbox so what difference does it make. Most of the time it is scanned it at the proper location, their computer system just didnt register it. Not my problem. I've never been asked again to leave the building to scan. They are all about fudging number, and scans, to not get in trouble.

 

[Casca]

I would have the clerks scan anything if you aren't there before 3. It isn't going to harm you if you make it before 5 and scan them again. This also makes sure you don't have to take them with you and delay any customers mail by making them wait until the truck re-delivers them the next day.

True. An “available for pickup” scan by the clerks would kill any clock and should even erase any scans in the geo fence.

I’ve mentioned before, if I have any I need to scan when I get back, (never before 3) I’ve always scanned them BEFORE I hit RETURN2DU. Never have had a problem with their stupid integrity crap.

But then I’ve also said I’m not going to be lectured about integrity when the city carrier scans to street before pulling down, or the PM is adding volume to DOIS to make city times look better.

 

[She mails rural]

If we miss a scan, they have us do this in EOS. Take printed scan, drive outside of office geofencing and scan it however we remember we delivered it.

Yes what about geo and a force field crap around the po building we were told about when this all started? Was told it don't pick up scanner in the buildings so don't worry about keeping it on your person. Then told oh no it picks up everything now obviously it picks up everything ! Oh it takes 15mins before your scans are in the system it refreshes. Now they tell us drive or walk away from the building. It seems to me the focus isn't where it should be, it always something to do with fudging and smudging everything to benefit management. I do know I hate all of it!

 

[gotstamps]

If it's before 3 I can scan all the packages myself and deal with them appropriately. If it's after 3 and before 5, I ask the clerks to scan it with their scanners, but not mine. If it's after 5 then no one is there and that is when I have been mandated to jump through all the hoops I have been talking about. They have not added any of these "extra" duties to any of my counts. I have explained all of this to my local Union Rep and District Rep along with how I feel about this and they say, "They have you doing too much." Yes, ok. But then weeks go by, and I don't here back.

I just feel that I should be able to go into this "daughter" office and do my job as usual, absolutely no hoop jumping or anything different than any of you would normally expect to do it. Management needs to solve some of their own problems. Instead, they are manipulating the carrier's duties to correct "not getting on the list".

One last thing. They can go after me for this absurd infraction (integrity scan or failure to follow command), but they will never see any discipline for having me do these things to start with. I wish carriers had a means of recommending Investigative Interviews to managers which could lead to discipline. Grievances don't do that really. They might remedy a situation like a band aid. But where is the disciplinary action for steering and manipulating a carrier to jump through all these hoops and threaten disciplinary action when a mistake occurs? Many of the Managers I have worked with over the years should have been disciplined but never were: the carrier always got it. We need to fix this, especially when the source of the issue stems from Management.

Nothing will get corrected until a Grievance is filed. Union cannot “step in” to tell mgmt to stop telling you to falsify. You have to file a grievance which is what it seems the Union Rep is hinting at. They cannot tell you what to file on or when unless you ask the question. You can file on anything that you feel aggrieved about.

 

[TammyRR68]

If it's before 3 I can scan all the packages myself and deal with them appropriately. If it's after 3 and before 5, I ask the clerks to scan it with their scanners, but not mine. If it's after 5 then no one is there and that is when I have been mandated to jump through all the hoops I have been talking about. They have not added any of these "extra" duties to any of my counts. I have explained all of this to my local Union Rep and District Rep along with how I feel about this and they say, "They have you doing too much." Yes, ok. But then weeks go by, and I don't here back.

I just feel that I should be able to go into this "daughter" office and do my job as usual, absolutely no hoop jumping or anything different than any of you would normally expect to do it. Management needs to solve some of their own problems. Instead, they are manipulating the carrier's duties to correct "not getting on the list".

One last thing. They can go after me for this absurd infraction (integrity scan or failure to follow command), but they will never see any discipline for having me do these things to start with. I wish carriers had a means of recommending Investigative Interviews to managers which could lead to discipline. Grievances don't do that really. They might remedy a situation like a band aid. But where is the disciplinary action for steering and manipulating a carrier to jump through all these hoops and threaten disciplinary action when a mistake occurs? Many of the Managers I have worked with over the years should have been disciplined but never were: the carrier always got it. We need to fix this, especially when the source of the issue stems from Management.

Can they leave a clerk scanner that is set up for you to use after 3? You could scan the packages available for pickup. On the clerks scanner That would stop the clock. Then you could just hang up the scanners.