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peggymailady

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We have been buried in Amazon since the snow storm. We can't keep up. Today the postmaster ordered us to leave all mail and take.packages only. I did.two Amazon runs today.Part of my route hasn't had any mail delivered to them since Friday. Looks like we are no longer mailmen.but Amazon.drivers. Who should I report thus to? The postmaster hung up me today.when I was questioning him. When I got in he had his supervisor to mandate me to show up at 6 and work late.Would they not need to mandate everyone and not just me? Thanks in advance
 
They have been letting routes sit and just take the packages here as well. Not ordered like you but we're that short on people. It's disgraceful to see it. Not the same as it used to be. They'll do it to us on our days off and then we'll only get paid piece count to deliver everything under rrecs standards, which are terrible. Allowing them to only pay us for an hour and a half extra for the mail from a day after a holiday plus a Tuesday to be ran together, or just your k day and current days mail. Dps only pays out for about 5 minutes a tray, they'll only pay for the smaller run. It's incentive for them to continue doing it over and over. It saves from having to pay rcas and r3 or r5s. They'll just settle with the union for $50-100 extra on your check, saving them hundreds. Something has to be done. It's really terrible.
 
They have been letting routes sit and just take the packages here as well. Not ordered like you but we're that short on people. It's disgraceful to see it. Not the same as it used to be. They'll do it to us on our days off and then we'll only get paid piece count to deliver everything under rrecs standards, which are terrible. Allowing them to only pay us for an hour and a half extra for the mail from a day after a holiday plus a Tuesday to be ran together, or just your k day and current days mail. Dps only pays out for about 5 minutes a tray, they'll only pay for the smaller run. It's incentive for them to continue doing it over and over. It saves from having to pay rcas and r3 or r5s. They'll just settle with the union for $50-100 extra on your check, saving them hundreds. Something has to be done. It's really terrible.
I have reported it to my Union Director. It is illegal to hold your mail. Some of my patrons have asked me about their mail when I deliver their packages. They are.going to call their Congressman.
 
Now, now....ALL mail that comes in the morning MUST go that day, NO curtailing.....
Outgoing mail, including express mail, doesn't go same day, it makes ZERO sense.
And now I read that ALL mail is being curtailed? WTH is happening with this place?
Seriously, why can't we have a standard that ALL offices are held to?
I would say our union should step in but COMMON sense should NOT have to be something anyone should have to fight for, this place is INSANE!
 
"Common sense should NOT have to be something anyone should have to fight for, this place is INSANE!"
We are all already aware of this fact...🤣😂😆😂🤣😆🤠
 
Management is SUPPOSED to report delayed mail. That is ONE of the reasons we are SUPPOSED to get permission to leave mail. You know, take one set of car ads and leave the OTHER one for tomorrow and situations of that nature. There's a real good possibility that the mail in your office that was delayed was not reported. I'm not saying it wasn't reported but I have serious doubts. Also, delivering parcels only. even for ONE day, can really impact route evaluations in a negative manner. Then there is the cumulative effect , depending upon the number of days of delayed mail , of numerous days of mail attempting to be delivered in ONE day. There is this ;

ARTICLE 5
PROHIBITION OF UNILATERAL ACTION
The Employer will not take any actions affecting wages, hours
and other terms and conditions of employment as defined in
Section 8(d) of the National Labor Relations Act which violate
the terms of this Agreement or are otherwise inconsistent with
its obligations under law

And since we are actually performing a "mail count" each and every day, there is this ( attached ).
 

Attachments

If I was ordered not to deliver mail but parcels only, I'd of course comply after asking if it was a direct order.

I'd contact my union DR.
I'd call the Postal Inspector

I'd be sure that any actions I took including formal complaints or information to the Inspectors was within our legal and contractual rights.
 
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Management is SUPPOSED to report delayed mail. That is ONE of the reasons we are SUPPOSED to get permission to leave mail. You know, take one set of car ads and leave the OTHER one for tomorrow and situations of that nature. There's a real good possibility that the mail in your office that was delayed was not reported. I'm not saying it wasn't reported but I have serious doubts. Also, delivering parcels only. even for ONE day, can really impact route evaluations in a negative manner. Then there is the cumulative effect , depending upon the number of days of delayed mail , of numerous days of mail attempting to be delivered in ONE day. There is this ;
I sent in a report based on this exactly earlier today and for whistleblower protections with OIG, to my congressman and my union. For failure to report on PS Form 1571 and falsified government documents by inputting inaccurate data into DSV (the program they use to say the office is clear) and unlawful delay of mail.

I am requesting a full investigation into these practices by my Postmaster, to ensure compliance with federal law and postal regulations, and to ensure that all rural carriers are accurately compensated for their work.

Proposed Settlement Statement

That management promptly submits PS Form 8127 to district for payments of over 60 minutes

That management ceases and desists from delaying mail and keeping it from being delivered

That management ceases and desists from failing to document on PS Form 1571 (for mail that was taken out for delivery and brought back undelivered) that management will measure the amount, to the piece before the carrier reports for the next day of duty.

That management accurately inputs all delayed volume into the appropriate systems (RRECS/DCV)

That the route evaluation be adjusted/credited for the missed volume if applicable

That the carrier be made whole for any lost wages or time, which includes time for casing, loading the mail into trays, putting it into conveyance, loading it into vehicles, delivery or for a full day's wages

My butt is probably going to be on fire! 🔥

Tired of it though and it has to stop. I'll let you know how hot it gets.
 
If I was ordered not to deliver mail but parcels only, I'd of course comply after asking if it was a direct order.

I'd contact my union DR.
I'd call the Postal Inspector

I'd be sure that any actions I took including formal complaints or information to the Inspectors was within our legal and contractual rights.
I did all of the above.
 
I did all of the above.
What did the Postal Inspector say?

What did your union DR say? (not just that it's illegal, what are THEY going to do about it?)

Your Congress representative (House) in their home office has a person dedicated to things like the post office, IRS, etc that are federal jurisdictions. I believe you can contact their office and ask for anonymity due to threat of retaliation, etc. Your customers can surely call your Representative.
 
What did the Postal Inspector say?

What did your union DR say? (not just that it's illegal, what are THEY going to do about it?)

Your Congress representative (House) in their home office has a person dedicated to things like the post office, IRS, etc that are federal jurisdictions. I believe you can contact their office and ask for anonymity due to threat of retaliation, etc. Your customers can surely call your Representative.
I'll tell you what my district rep said.

They said they can delay the mail if they want. (I don't know if that's true when there's actually criteria spelled out)

When you Hotline on OIG website it says that you won't find out the results. It says that you should wait 60 days before filing a FOIA request if you want to see what their findings are.


I just figure that this is our only way of having an investigative interview.

Here's part of my letter:

While management has the "right to manage," they do not have the right to intentionally delay mail to manipulate route evaluations or avoid paying overtime. Here is the breakdown of why this is against the rules: The Sanctity of the Mail. According to Handbook PO-603 (the rural carrier’s primary manual) and the ELM (Employee and Labor Relations Manual), all employees—including managers—are required to handle mail to prevent "unauthorized delay."

Willful Delay: Intentionally holding back mail is a federal offense (18 U.S. Code § 1703).
Official Stance: USPS headquarters consistently reminds staff that delaying mail to "save hours" erodes public trust and can lead to administrative action or removal.
Impact on Rural Route Evaluations: The rural craft is unique because pay is based on the evaluated time of the route. This delayed mail is not accounted for on the radar report. The radar report is how rural carriers are paid based on an average of daily mail. When the daily mail exceeds the standard amount because it is multiple days worth of mail, carriers should receive proper compensation to adjust for the mail that is unaccounted for. Because rural carriers are paid based on a "system of averages" (the evaluation), the rules about how mail is handled are much stricter than for city carriers. Any mail left at the case directly affects the data used to calculate your salary.

Proper Procedures for "Left Behind" Mail if mail is legitimately delayed (e.g., it arrived too late from the plant), management must follow specific protocols: PS Form 1571: Any time mail is not delivered on its scheduled day, it must be reported on PS Form 1571 (Undelivered Mail Report). If a manager tells you to leave mail behind but refuses to sign a 1571 or instructs you not to fill one out, they are likely attempting to hide the delay from higher-level reporting systems.
Exceptions
There are a few rare cases where delaying mail is permitted:
Safety: If a bridge is out, there’s an aggressive dog, or weather makes a road impassable.
Acts of God: Fires, floods, or storms that prevent the carrier from completing the route.
Operational Necessity: Occasionally, if a clerk shortage means mail isn't sorted until long after the carrier’s "cut-off time," a postmaster might delay it to the next day—but this must be documented.

18 U.S. Code § 1703 is a federal statute that specifically addresses the "Delay or destruction of mail or newspapers" by USPS employees. It is one of the foundational laws used to ensure the reliability of the U.S. Mail.
Here is a breakdown of what the law says, who it applies to, and what the consequences are:
The Legal Text
The statute is divided into two main parts:
Subsection (a): Focuses on any "Postal Service officer or employee" who unlawfully detains, delays, or opens mail (letters, packages, bags) that was entrusted to them or came into their possession.
Subsection (b): Specifically addresses the delay or destruction of newspapers by an employee, or an employee permitting someone else to do so.
Key Legal Elements
To understand how this applies to a manager delaying a rural route, there are three critical terms:
"Unlawfully": Courts have interpreted this to mean acting without authority or outside of authorized postal procedures. If a manager delays mail to hide poor performance metrics or to manipulate a route count, that is generally considered "unlawful" because no postal regulation authorizes mail delay for those reasons.
"Detains or Delays": This is not just about destroying mail; simply holding it back from its intended delivery schedule is a violation.
"Knowledge": Recent court rulings (like the 10th Circuit) have clarified that the government doesn't necessarily have to prove the manager had a "bad motive" (like stealing). They only need to prove the employee knowingly engaged in conduct that was unauthorized.
Penalties:
Violating 18 U.S.C. § 1703 is a serious matter:
Imprisonment: Conviction can lead to up to one year in federal prison.
Fines: The court can impose significant financial penalties.
Employment: Beyond criminal charges, a violation of this code is almost always grounds for immediate removal (firing) from the Postal Service.
Why it Matters for Rural Carriers
If a postmaster or member of management tells a carrier to leave "raw mail" or "parcels" or "DPS" or "flats" behind because they don't want to pay overtime, they are potentially stepping into § 1703 territory. While management often claims "operational necessity," they are legally required to report delayed mail.
 
If they stack on me next holiday instead of having 200 flats on Wednesday, I'll have 1500. Just because I got credit for 1300 on Tuesday, doesn't make my Wednesday accurate. If they can't get it delivered and I have to, they should adjust my Wednesday's numbers to show what I did.

If they throw a tray of dps in outgoing, you'll also get that same credit again when it's sorted again.

I don't know why there's not language to support this anywhere. I think it would be enough to stop this behavior. It's probably because they shouldn't delay mail after it's at the delivery unit. But they didn't think about these situations.
 
If I was ordered not to deliver mail but parcels only, I'd of course comply after asking if it was a direct order.

I'd contact my union DR.
I'd call the Postal Inspector

I'd be sure that any actions I took including formal complaints or information to the Inspectors was within our legal and contractual rights.
I have reported this to the OIG and have told all my customers to do the same.Now the PM is lying out of it. He didn't tell us to do no such a thing Trying to blame it on us or the supervisor. Well, our supervisor is leaving,has had enough of his crap. I will never follow another order from him until I have it in writing, signed by him and round dated by a clerk. I am completely over this piece of crap PM.
 
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