Funny Stuff from facebook Regarding the RRECS Q&A.

[TheDude]

There is a discussion going on about UNSCANPARCEL and hold deliveries.

The original poster shared this screenshot saying no extra credit was given for hold deliveries to the mailbox:



Then someone posted a conflict later on in the Q&A saying we DID get credit:



Then the original poster, in their confusion, posted a screenshot of the CURRENT ANSWER to Question 253 which is a complete 180:




-Obviously these carriers were unaware how the NRLCA continually changed the Q&A and didn't include any history or edits or a changelog.

NRLCA has contributed......to an EXTREME amount.....to the confusion regarding RRECS.

 

[FrozenToes]

The post office released instructions stating that 8 or more pieces of hold mail counts as an unscannable parcel. So there is documentation for that. I do not see why this would not apply year round, since no activity scans are tied specifically to the mail survey.

Two different things.
One is delivery of holds.
Other is pulling hold letters out of your DPS , whether if you take DPS to street or case. ( 7 or less is raw letters, 8 or more unscan)

 

[Beanut]

The post office released instructions stating that 8 or more pieces of hold mail counts as an unscannable parcel. So there is documentation for that. I do not see why this would not apply year round, since no activity scans are tied specifically to the mail survey.

Yes, I just learned this 8+ letter hold/busness closed as of Saturday. Meaning the businesses that are closed every weekend, would have gotten an unscanned parcel nearly every Monday. it is so frustrating.

Two different things.
One is delivery of holds.
Other is pulling hold letters out of your DPS , whether if you take DPS to street or case. ( 7 or less is raw letters, 8 or more unscan)

My PM and a neighboring office PM agrees the 8+ letter applies to all holds/business closed all year. Not just DPS hold outs.

The difference bring during count dps also gets miscellaneous letter for each letter pulled out of DPS during the ‘Survey’.

 

[FrozenToes]

Yes, I just learned this 8+ letter hold/busness closed as of Saturday. Meaning the businesses that are closed every weekend, would have gotten an unscanned parcel nearly every Monday. it is so frustrating.



My PM and a neighboring office PM agrees the 8+ letter applies to all holds/business closed all year. Not just DPS hold outs.

The difference bring during count dps also gets miscellaneous letter for each letter pulled out of DPS during the ‘Survey’.

"If" you took DPS to the street on Saturday, you would have to bring that business' mail back. If over 8 pieces, unscan. You're not getting credit for delivering the mail you held for the business. You're getting credit for having to pull the DPS, if over 8 pieces. ( the rest of the year)
During survey, you get either raw or unscan credit.

 

[csparks]

Seems to me like the person with the scanner decides the issue.

 

[ATCBigE]

Here is my question.

#1 If you have a hold mail, and you take it to door for person? Why do you have to do DOORMISC? That would be an UNSCANPARCEL which you would mark at front door? Isn't that the double dipping?

The whole RRECS system is such a joke. So many flaws with things but yet they are cramming it down our throats.

 

[C$$]

"If" you took DPS to the street on Saturday, you would have to bring that business' mail back. If over 8 pieces, unscan. You're not getting credit for delivering the mail you held for the business. You're getting credit for having to pull the DPS, if over 8 pieces. ( the rest of the year)
During survey, you get either raw or unscan credit.

This contradicts what my district is saying (and they are supposedly getting it directly from PO HQ).

They say:
Pulled out hold mail does *not* count, including business closed.
Only counts when delivered. 7 or less raw. 8 or more unscan parcel.

All the money spent on joint trainings... and the NRLCA and PO can't agree on basic issues. Just keep changing things willy-nilly after the count has already started. The ineptitude... simply staggering.

 

[flash]

Here is my question.

#1 If you have a hold mail, and you take it to door for person? Why do you have to do DOORMISC? That would be an UNSCANPARCEL which you would mark at front door? Isn't that the double dipping?

The whole RRECS system is such a joke. So many flaws with things but yet they are cramming it down

Doesn't unscanparcel automatically deliver to box? I don't believe it has location options, therefore, misc door is needed.

 

[Rt2mailman]

Doesn't unscanparcel automatically deliver to box? I don't believe it has location options, therefore, misc door is needed.

Unscanned parcel gives us the normal options (in box, to individual, or door delivery),but I don’t know how they know where you deliver it. For example, I have a Shutterfly (no bar code, unbendable) and I call the customer over to me and deliver it to him while sitting at a group of five boxes. When I key in unscanned parcel to the individual, for what “door delivery “ do I get credit? We are told delivery to the individual gives you the same as door credit, but how can it for unscanned parcels when there is no way of knowing which individual you delivered it to? There are more and more flaws in this system I’m finding as we go, the worst being credit for bundled flats, most in our office have just disappeared and we all got zero. There have been no days that we ever get zero bundled flats, yet we have 4 zero days so far in this count.

 

[FrozenToes]

This contradicts what my district is saying (and they are supposedly getting it directly from PO HQ).

They say:
Pulled out hold mail does *not* count, including business closed.
Only counts when delivered. 7 or less raw. 8 or more unscan parcel.

All the money spent on joint trainings... and the NRLCA and PO can't agree on basic issues. Just keep changing things willy-nilly after the count has already started. The ineptitude... simply staggering.

Agree.
The mail is handled 3 times.
As DPS, pulling out at box.
As Raw/unscan, distributing at your case.
As whatever upon delivery.
You had to physically touch that mail 3 separate times.

 

[TheDude]

Unscanned parcel gives us the normal options (in box, to individual, or door delivery),but I don’t know how they know where you deliver it. For example, I have a Shutterfly (no bar code, unbendable) and I call the customer over to me and deliver it to him while sitting at a group of five boxes. When I key in unscanned parcel to the individual, for what “door delivery “ do I get credit? We are told delivery to the individual gives you the same as door credit, but how can it for unscanned parcels when there is no way of knowing which individual you delivered it to? There are more and more flaws in this system I’m finding as we go, the worst being credit for bundled flats, most in our office have just disappeared and we all got zero. There have been no days that we ever get zero bundled flats, yet we have 4 zero days so far in this count.

Just had that issue yesterday with a bonafide parcel with just stamps on it. Haven't seen one is those in awhile. It was to a funky location too. It's the front door of a trailer in the trailer park on a road that isn't along the line of travel until about 40 boxes later. There is no acces to the trailer until later along the route until much later unless I walk through a bunch of back and side yards getting there.


No how in the world can I be credited with a correct TO THE DOOR scan?

 

[TheDude]

Yes, I just learned this 8+ letter hold/busness closed as of Saturday. Meaning the businesses that are closed every weekend, would have gotten an unscanned parcel nearly every Monday. it is so frustrating.



My PM and a neighboring office PM agrees the 8+ letter applies to all holds/business closed all year. Not just DPS hold outs.

The difference bring during count dps also gets miscellaneous letter for each letter pulled out of DPS during the ‘Survey’.

So, according to the PO, you weren't doing something you SHOULD have been doing. They say, "sorry, too bad."

Now compare that to Managers not entering Stand Up talk times. They are Okay with just doing it for the 2 weeks and extrapolating.

Why can't that be done for UNSCANPARCEL for hold outs?

 

[Voglio-il mio]

There is a discussion going on about UNSCANPARCEL and hold deliveries.

The original poster shared this screenshot saying no extra credit was given for hold deliveries to the mailbox:

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Then someone posted a conflict later on in the Q&A saying we DID get credit:

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Then the original poster, in their confusion, posted a screenshot of the CURRENT ANSWER to Question 253 which is a complete 180:

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-Obviously these carriers were unaware how the NRLCA continually changed the Q&A and didn't include any history or edits or a changelog.

NRLCA has contributed......to an EXTREME amount.....to the confusion regarding RRECS.

FYI, The powerpoint for the Mini-Count also says when delivered, if they are more than 8 pieces its an Unscanned Parcel, If 7 or less then count the pieces as Raw Letters. So much consistency, it makes you second guess the BS the PM tells you may actually be true.

 

[Voglio-il mio]

This contradicts what my district is saying (and they are supposedly getting it directly from PO HQ).

They say:
Pulled out hold mail does *not* count, including business closed.
Only counts when delivered. 7 or less raw. 8 or more unscan parcel.

All the money spent on joint trainings... and the NRLCA and PO can't agree on basic issues. Just keep changing things willy-nilly after the count has already started. The ineptitude... simply staggering.

This is the interpretation we are following, is it correct .............................who knows?

 

[FrozenToes]

This contradicts what my district is saying (and they are supposedly getting it directly from PO HQ).

They say:
Pulled out hold mail does *not* count, including business closed.
Only counts when delivered. 7 or less raw. 8 or more unscan parcel.

All the money spent on joint trainings... and the NRLCA and PO can't agree on basic issues. Just keep changing things willy-nilly after the count has already started. The ineptitude... simply staggering.

I have now heard that the PO is saying we are getting EOS time dealing with the hold mail or UBBM ( My District says no credit) once we get back from the route. What about forwards 3M,etc...? Why do they still count?
Luckily our PM is still allowing the credit,for now.
Now my glass half full self thinks the NRLCA will cave on this.
Lol, glass half empty....tired.

 

[C$$]

I have now heard that the PO is saying we are getting EOS time dealing with the hold mail or UBBM ( My District says no credit) once we get back from the route. What about forwards 3M,etc...? Why do they still count?
Luckily our PM is still allowing the credit,for now.
Now my glass half full self thinks the NRLCA will cave on this.

If we are strictly going by the RRECS guide:

1) Take DPS to the street
2) Verify Address, sift out 3M, UBBM, CFS, etc
3) Sort out and deal with during EoS

So really... should any of it count as raw? Very little is actually *cased*: Mis-sequenced b/c it has to be cased the next day. Hold mail b/c it is cased when delivered (unless it gets parcel credit).

Personally I think this is where we end up, with much less raw credit from DPS. Maybe not this survey, but possibly the next? Let's hope I'm wrong!

 

[Rt2mailman]

How about parcels we received that were forwarded from another route/office? We get NO CREDIT to deliver those parcels. The bar code shows the latest delivery time and place, but the route that the bar code is originally associated with get the delivery credit, just like parcels delivered by rcas helping on different routes give route credit to the route they are helping.

 

[Voglio-il mio]

I have now heard that the PO is saying we are getting EOS time dealing with the hold mail or UBBM ( My District says no credit) once we get back from the route. What about forwards 3M,etc...? Why do they still count?
Luckily our PM is still allowing the credit,for now.
Now my glass half full self thinks the NRLCA will cave on this.

The NRLCA consistently allows minor infractions or violations to the contract or procedures. Its like they feel that it's not a large enough to make an issue about and avoid confrontation. That's why our Craft is treated the way it is. Our leadership at the NRLCA needs to change their ways and demand 100% compliance. Become more intune with what is actually happening out here in the field. Become proactive and anticipate violations before they happen.

 

[neciat]

The NRLCA consistently allows minor infractions or violations to the contract or procedures. Its like they feel that it's not a large enough to make an issue about and avoid confrontation. That's why our Craft is treated the way it is. Our leadership at the NRLCA needs to change their ways and demand 100% compliance. Become more intune with what is actually happening out here in the field. Become proactive and anticipate violations before they happen.

Exactly !!! Incrementalism. Starts out "small" and in different timelines depending upon the "action" or "process" that is a "fast one" pulled upon our craft that the damage is done. Recent example, first day of count is no UBBM counted from DPS, second day of count it's no UBBM AND no fwds. There are 100s if not 1000s of "things" where the PO has sidestepped, flat out violated, ignored, misinterpreted, unjustly mandated, etc. and "we" have just let it slide. We need and HAVE NEEDED FOR DECADES representation that does two things ; ONE - fights each and every violation as if THEIR very survival depended upon it because there is no "small" violation and TWO - spends the remaining time LOOKING for ANY violation because there are no "small" violations. Don't wait for me to come to you with something. You patrol as the contract police. Each and every office, each and every day !!!

 

[Dazy]

Exactly !!! Incrementalism. Starts out "small" and in different timelines depending upon the "action" or "process" that is a "fast one" pulled upon our craft that the damage is done. Recent example, first day of count is no UBBM counted from DPS, second day of count it's no UBBM AND no fwds. There are 100s if not 1000s of "things" where the PO has sidestepped, flat out violated, ignored, misinterpreted, unjustly mandated, etc. and "we" have just let it slide. We need and HAVE NEEDED FOR DECADES representation that does two things ; ONE - fights each and every violation as if THEIR very survival depended upon it because there is no "small" violation and TWO - spends the remaining time LOOKING for ANY violation because there are no "small" violations. Don't wait for me to come to you with something. You patrol as the contract police. Each and every office, each and every day !!!

I like how they also didn't keep up with meetings and are now saying you will get misc. at mail count. NO this is to be recorded all year long!!!! Annoying all they get away with.