Fake NRLCA website

Hahahahaha Hahahahaha Haha!!!! Thats HILARIOUS...I mean after all...their real website is FAKE too....their favorite thing to say is, WE REPRESENT 130,000's of carriers all over the country. Do YOU feel represented by the union, I sure as HECK dont....I've known some good ones, and there is no way they would've agreed to what this guy did to the large majority of us...
 
Rickets is mistaken. They represent the National Rural Letter Carriers HQ Association (NRLCA-HQ) It's that little bitty change. It's not the same. 😎


NRLCA-HQ claims to be out of New York, NY
NRLCA is out of Alexandria, VA

 
I hope the people that set this up don't get caught or in trouble. I think it is very funny and so far no harm to any one.

A version of this may have been useful for the decertification drive. Less of a copy cat through.
 
Shannonboy said:
Hahahahaha Hahahahaha Haha!!!! Thats HILARIOUS...I mean after all...their real website is FAKE too....their favorite thing to say is, WE REPRESENT 130,000's of carriers all over the country. Do YOU feel represented by the union, I sure as HECK dont....I've known some good ones, and there is no way they would've agreed to what this guy did to the large majority of us...
Click to expand...
If the Nrlca didn’t represent all Rurals would the ones that are “Not represented” not opt in for Rrecs, table 2 pay, and anything else that they don’t want?
But yet all rural carriers have been inflicted with the bad and any good that the Nrlca has gained. It sounds like all 130,000 of the rurals are represented by the Nrlca, like it or not. The only option I see is to change it from the inside. I haven’t seen any rants or gripes online do a bit of good, including a decertification attempt. You may say working for better change in our union is a waste of time, but I see working against it as the bigger waste of time.
 
Rt2mailman said:
If the Nrlca didn’t represent all Rurals would the ones that are “Not represented” not opt in for Rrecs, table 2 pay, and anything else that they don’t want?
But yet all rural carriers have been inflicted with the bad and any good that the Nrlca has gained. It sounds like all 130,000 of the rurals are represented by the Nrlca, like it or not. The only option I see is to change it from the inside. I haven’t seen any rants or gripes online do a bit of good, including a decertification attempt. You may say working for better change in our union is a waste of time, but I see working against it as the bigger waste of time.
Click to expand...
There are those I know personally who are local stewards that attended state conventions who have actually tried to draft some very good proposals and introduce those at the conventions with the hope of improving the craft for all employees. They were shocked at the immediate resistance to anything new and beneficial members were trying to introduce and the archaic way things were debated and voted upon. Basically the upper echelons of the organization's "leadership" stifled those making common sense proposals like a clear path to career for employees, eliminating inequality in pay scales, buy back for time as a sub, etc. Literally if something wasn't the idea of someone in the "in-group" then it was shut down, often very disrespectfully. I think also the other issue is it is a very long game; the process is so slow the things they resolve to pursue now take 4-5 years or longer to get into a contract if they make it at all which needs to change. Decertification did do good because there was a response: they got scared, were forced to do damage control and hopefully took notice that they need to do better for the people the represent. Dismissing disenfranchised carriers when there are literally hundreds possibly thousands who have volunteered their time and energy to the union only to be shot down misses the point that everyone is being failed which is why they don't feel represented. Until such time that the old guard is swept out of the NRLCA and replaced with educated sensible people all the union members with great resolutions meant to help the craft will never be heard.
 
jaymacgthree said:
There are those I know personally who are local stewards that attended state conventions who have actually tried to draft some very good proposals and introduce those at the conventions with the hope of improving the craft for all employees. They were shocked at the immediate resistance to anything new and beneficial members were trying to introduce and the archaic way things were debated and voted upon. Basically the upper echelons of the organization's "leadership" stifled those making common sense proposals like a clear path to career for employees, eliminating inequality in pay scales, buy back for time as a sub, etc. Literally if something wasn't the idea of someone in the "in-group" then it was shut down, often very disrespectfully. I think also the other issue is it is a very long game; the process is so slow the things they resolve to pursue now take 4-5 years or longer to get into a contract if they make it at all which needs to change. Decertification did do good because there was a response: they got scared, were forced to do damage control and hopefully took notice that they need to do better for the people the represent. Dismissing disenfranchised carriers when there are literally hundreds possibly thousands who have volunteered their time and energy to the union only to be shot down misses the point that everyone is being failed which is why they don't feel represented. Until such time that the old guard is swept out of the NRLCA and replaced with educated sensible people all the union members with great resolutions meant to help the craft will never be heard.
Click to expand...
Exactly.... that's why peeps don't go to meetings and conferences and so forth.... it's a dysfunctional system that is set up to stifle members from making any changes from the ground up.... APWU has Contract Action Teams (CAT's) and Rank and File Contract Review Boards, NRLCA has nothing like that to give members a real and meaningful voice... you want some change, here's a quarter.... fill out a resolution and throw it in the trash can on your way out the door.... :unsure: 🤷‍♂️👉(n):oops::poop:
 
jaymacgthree said:
There are those I know personally who are local stewards that attended state conventions who have actually tried to draft some very good proposals and introduce those at the conventions with the hope of improving the craft for all employees. They were shocked at the immediate resistance to anything new and beneficial members were trying to introduce and the archaic way things were debated and voted upon. Basically the upper echelons of the organization's "leadership" stifled those making common sense proposals like a clear path to career for employees, eliminating inequality in pay scales, buy back for time as a sub, etc. Literally if something wasn't the idea of someone in the "in-group" then it was shut down, often very disrespectfully. I think also the other issue is it is a very long game; the process is so slow the things they resolve to pursue now take 4-5 years or longer to get into a contract if they make it at all which needs to change. Decertification did do good because there was a response: they got scared, were forced to do damage control and hopefully took notice that they need to do better for the people the represent. Dismissing disenfranchised carriers when there are literally hundreds possibly thousands who have volunteered their time and energy to the union only to be shot down misses the point that everyone is being failed which is why they don't feel represented. Until such time that the old guard is swept out of the NRLCA and replaced with educated sensible people all the union members with great resolutions meant to help the craft will never be heard.
Click to expand...
Here's an old thread posted by a former NRLCA Steward.... :unsure: 🤷‍♂️👉🧐

https://www.ruralmailtalk.com/threads/to-hell-with-the-union-get-out.2023/
 
DB.Cooper said:
Exactly.... that's why peeps don't go to meetings and conferences and so forth.... it's a dysfunctional system that is set up to stifle members from making any changes from the ground up.... APWU has Contract Action Teams (CAT's) and Rank and File Contract Review Boards, NRLCA has nothing like that to give members a real and meaningful voice... you want some change, here's a quarter.... fill out a resolution and throw it in the trash can on your way out the door.... :unsure: 🤷‍♂️👉(n):oops::poop:
Click to expand...
You sum it up more concisely that I do.. :ROFLMAO: and I do agree with you APWU has the clout and the structure to get things done for their members. I pray for the day Rural Carriers can get the same from their union it's just there is no clear path despite the best intentions of stewards and voting members
 
jaymacgthree said:
You sum it up more concisely that I do.. :ROFLMAO: and I do agree with you APWU has the clout and the structure to get things done for their members. I pray for the day Rural Carriers can get the same from their union it's just there is no clear path despite the best intentions of stewards and voting members
Click to expand...
No disrespect to Rt2, but he's been here 30+ years, and has seen the constant decline for us, so it seems sorta disingenuous for him to spout all of that same ole, you are the union nonsense.... I've been hearing that for 20+ years and it's not worked so far..,.

Last contract the APWU board approved the contract, it went to the Rank & File Contract Review Board and they rejected it.... now wouldn't that be great if we had something like that???? Even if we vote NO on a contract, we have no way to voice what changes we want made.... our system sucks.... no wonder peeps don't even bother to vote.... :unsure: 🤷‍♂️👉(n):oops:
 
DB.Cooper said:
Exactly.... that's why peeps don't go to meetings and conferences and so forth.... it's a dysfunctional system that is set up to stifle members from making any changes from the ground up.... APWU has Contract Action Teams (CAT's) and Rank and File Contract Review Boards, NRLCA has nothing like that to give members a real and meaningful voice... you want some change, here's a quarter.... fill out a resolution and throw it in the trash can on your way out the door.... :unsure: 🤷‍♂️👉(n):oops::poop:
Click to expand...

Yep. The majority faction within the National Board and the National Delegates work in tandem to keep the status quo running strong. Take note of how many of them don't serve a dual role as a union agent in some capacity with strings that can be pulled if they "break stride".
  • "Non-binding" resolutions are useless because they have zero force or effect. Since the majority faction permits Board actions without a resolution prerequisite, adopting or rejecting a resolution is similarly effective. The Board will execute the "nothing says we can't, so we're going to do it anyway." OR "nothing says we must, so we're refusing to do it." routines accordingly.
  • "Binding" resolutions, though more authoratative than non-binding, are equally unenforceable. The National Board will deny all counter-assertions and even if the National Delegates reject the National Board's position, the National Board will execute the "whoopsie-doodle" defense and point the finger at feigned ambiguity instead of themselves.
  • The Constitution (with or without "Constitutional amendments") is the second highest-ranking policy tier (Corporate Charter being #1), but is equally useless when the National Delegates refuse to enforce it. The National Appeals Committee has no problem misleading and/or blatantly lying to the National Delegates about the content of internal complaints. Additionally, the complaints against Association rule-breaking are scheduled towards the end of the convention when many of the Delegates are coming down off of their steady diet of sugary garbage passed out during caucus night.
While I agree with you that such teams/groups/committee's would be useful, I trust that it would only be a matter of time before those too became feather-in-the-cap cushion jobs serving as financial and egocentric padding for "the chosen few" members too cowardly to execute an independent thought.

Can't let these money pits dry up.
  • Joint Education and Training Fund (MOU #11)
  • Rural Delivery Task Force (MOU #24)
  • Rural Joint Workplace Improvement Process (MOU #25)
 
Dominator said:
Yep. The majority faction within the National Board and the National Delegates work in tandem to keep the status quo running strong. Take note of how many of them don't serve a dual role as a union agent in some capacity with strings that can be pulled if they "break stride".
  • "Non-binding" resolutions are useless because they have zero force or effect. Since the majority faction permits Board actions without a resolution prerequisite, adopting or rejecting a resolution is similarly effective. The Board will execute the "nothing says we can't, so we're going to do it anyway." OR "nothing says we must, so we're refusing to do it." routines accordingly.
  • "Binding" resolutions, though more authoratative than non-binding, are equally unenforceable. The National Board will deny all counter-assertions and even if the National Delegates reject the National Board's position, the National Board will execute the "whoopsie-doodle" defense and point the finger at feigned ambiguity instead of themselves.
  • The Constitution (with or without "Constitutional amendments") is the second highest-ranking policy tier (Corporate Charter being #1), but is equally useless when the National Delegates refuse to enforce it. The National Appeals Committee has no problem misleading and/or blatantly lying to the National Delegates about the content of internal complaints. Additionally, the complaints against Association rule-breaking are scheduled towards the end of the convention when many of the Delegates are coming down off of their steady diet of sugary garbage passed out during caucus night.
While I agree with you that such teams/groups/committee's would be useful, I trust that it would only be a matter of time before those too became feather-in-the-cap cushion jobs serving as financial and egocentric padding for "the chosen few" members too cowardly to execute an independent thought.

Can't let these money pits dry up.
  • Joint Education and Training Fund (MOU #11)
  • Rural Delivery Task Force (MOU #24)
  • Rural Joint Workplace Improvement Process (MOU #25)
Click to expand...
Last APWU contract was accepted by their National Board, then it went to the Rank & File Contract Review Board and was rejected.... seems like that is some real power there.... NRLCA members have nothing like that nor any real voice in contract negotiations, such as what the Contract Action Teams (CAT's) provide to APWU members.... the ONE thing NRLCA is good at is, maintaining the status quo, and stifling any input from working members.... rural carriers have no voice.... contract voting is a BS system.... and so is the delegate system at conventions.... no meaningful changes will ever happen under the current setup, and that's how they want it.... :unsure: 🤷‍♂️👉(n):poop::oops:
 
jaymacgthree said:
There are those I know personally who are local stewards that attended state conventions who have actually tried to draft some very good proposals and introduce those at the conventions with the hope of improving the craft for all employees. They were shocked at the immediate resistance to anything new and beneficial members were trying to introduce and the archaic way things were debated and voted upon. Basically the upper echelons of the organization's "leadership" stifled those making common sense proposals like a clear path to career for employees, eliminating inequality in pay scales, buy back for time as a sub, etc. Literally if something wasn't the idea of someone in the "in-group" then it was shut down, often very disrespectfully. I think also the other issue is it is a very long game; the process is so slow the things they resolve to pursue now take 4-5 years or longer to get into a contract if they make it at all which needs to change. Decertification did do good because there was a response: they got scared, were forced to do damage control and hopefully took notice that they need to do better for the people the represent. Dismissing disenfranchised carriers when there are literally hundreds possibly thousands who have volunteered their time and energy to the union only to be shot down misses the point that everyone is being failed which is why they don't feel represented. Until such time that the old guard is swept out of the NRLCA and replaced with educated sensible people all the union members with great resolutions meant to help the craft will never be heard.
Click to expand...
Best comment EVER, and ABSOLUTELY spot on Jaymac...LOVE IT! EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS...😃😃😃🤠
 
Poor stewy. Had such great hopes for the union in the beginning. Total fanatic to support the union, then in the end this.

<https://www.ruralmailtalk.com/threads/to-hell-with-the-union-get-out.2023/>

As for change from with in, I think it is the most desirable way to change, I just don't see how it may come about. For me, it is not the brilliant ideas that were shot down at the National Convention. If we didn't think they were great, they would not have been put forward. It is the poor ideas that were never put forward and reviewed at the lower levels.

Most new ideas seem pretty foolish when first proposed. Reviewing why/why not, not only tests the idea but gives both the creators of the ideas and those who review them practice dealing with new ideas in the future. We don't have this.

This is not done with the contract, responding to issues discussed online from the NRLCA leadership or changes to the organization. All is under the thumb of the NRLCA leadership. This is not a democracy.

Is there a way? I do not know. Here is one suggestion

Direct Elections for Labor Leaders Make for More Militant Unions | Labor Notes

labornotes.org labornotes.org
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

New Media

preliminary-rrecs-charts-from-nrlca-for-those-that-dont-v0-5xrvft7txxpa1.jpg
27592b6048934e57b727f2d0da5e08b6.png
LWOP-chart-–-Reduction-in-retirement-credit.jpeg
30.2.C.2.png
20260411_150327.jpg
IMG_20260410_080022.jpg
IMG_20260410_080029.jpg
RRECS Adjustment Formula.jpeg
1775625558310.jpeg
Screenshot_20260407_084538_Facebook.jpg
1775492856132.png
1775399894927.jpeg
Back
Top