gotstamps
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I know what the term means but it’s a CITY Carrier term just as SPURS is also a City term.
Opted Route Requesting a Sub
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I know what the term means but it’s a CITY Carrier term just as SPURS is also a City term.
I mean does it matter? Means the same thing. When the RCA is in leave earning status and on the 4240 as the carrier of record, they are now holding down the route. It entitles them to the same assistance as the regular and they are now the last go to as far as helping other routes and scheduling them for Amazon.
Deer Smearer
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Symantics.
Opted, hold down, des 74, etc.
Basically incorrect terminology for Rural relief carriers.
Bottom line is J and K route relief carriers can request or be required to take relief days if another relief carrier is available
They do not have to be the same day as the regular.
You’re stating something that has nothing to do with RCAs on a hold down. The original question was can an RCA on a hold down request a sub. It was answered and then you started quoting stuff that had nothing to do with what I asked. Designation 74s have a different set of rules when they are in leave earning status.Your DR was wrong.
Read O-6 Order of Consideration part 1. B.
Order of consideration – Covering a route
knowledgebase.ruralinfo.net
I worked a J route for the better part of a year when the carrier was suspended. I got "a" relief day just not Saturday. This is true of K routes also. There is no entitlement to the regulars relief day, just a relief day.
The use of "city" terminology is confusing. We are different animals and their rules do not apply.
The use of "city" terminology is confusing. We are different animals and their rules do not apply.
Charlie Brown
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I believe you were being corrected after your incorrect statement that an RCA in leave earning status is entitled to the same day off as the regular and that the NALC -JCAM applied to Rurals. (It doesn't) Perhaps it was applied to rurals in your office and they got away with it, not the first time Mgmt. has tried to apply City carrier rules to Rurals.
I see you're a new member here and I applaud your efforts to educate yourself about the contract and rules governing your job and workplace.
But realize this, many of the members here have been Rural carriers for decades and many more are currently or have been stewards. If you slow down a little, read more before you jump in to try and prove your point and you'll learn even more.
Best of luck to you.
I’m a steward.
The_Postal_Void
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You don't get a sub, you are the sub. Your time off will come by way of a relief day or leave slip and other sub availability. I thought it was obvious why I answered the way I did. Pardon me.
I had the whole office put in 120 day letters and just needed to know if the RCA on the hold down should put one in. Got it now though! ??
BeatsAll-IEverSeen
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I don’t know if it applies to you, but a Designation 74 holding down a route while the regular serves as a FT union official IS entitled to an additional sub assigned to the route.
It’s a unique situation and requires that the district analyst create a unique job number for the position, just like when a backup is hired for an aux route.
But if you’re asking does the 74 get the same identical relief day as the regular then no, Management is not required to give the 74 a Saturday off or whatever N/S day the regular had.
Nope. Was just wondering if the RCA can ask for a sub. She’s been having a hard time when she comes back from her K day and wanted to know if she could have a sub they could train. Her regular quit the PO by not showing up for work so they have to go through the process of terminating the regular and the route will probably be open for another six months.
Skierstmoritz
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Regular quit by not showing up? Odd. How long was he/she a regular if I may ask? Wondering if said regular was table 1 or table 2 and if you have Amazon. We had a instance similar to that .
Windindaface
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"She’s been having a hard time when she comes back from her K day."
So they are getting a relief day. What is the issue after their K day?
So they are getting a relief day. What is the issue after their K day?
Charlie Brown
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So if she's having a hard time on the day after her K day does that mean the sub that is carrying the route isn't finishing, leaving mail or not doing the whole job?
She comes back to a mess. Route half run, rolled mail, etc. Basically because no ones been trained on it, it’s a POV route and management doesn’t care because they just see her as an RCA.
All of the above.
She was a regular for a year or so. Was an RCA for maybe only two years. Basically they added stick boxes to her route which would be fine but it’s a POV route. She was a strange individual. Her text to management was “No more Post Office.” Hasn’t showed up since August. Management doesn’t consider that a valid resignation letter. We do have Amazon but it’s been cut down dramatically over the years.
What the heck is a stick box?
The RCA is entitled to a full day relief. The step 4 is here in the knowledgebase as well as the steward reference on the NRLCA site.
She should be filing the grievance and you as the steward should be representing her and winning it. You should also be doing something about getting that route posted. As well as making the DR aware. Are you a new steward?
The RCA is entitled to a full day relief. The step 4 is here in the knowledgebase as well as the steward reference on the NRLCA site.
She should be filing the grievance and you as the steward should be representing her and winning it. You should also be doing something about getting that route posted. As well as making the DR aware. Are you a new steward?
Sweet Jesus. When a carrier does not formally resign and just stops showing up to work, management has to send a Duty Status Letter to the carrier. Then if they don’t respond, they have to invite them to do an Investigative Interview for excessive unscheduled absences. Once that is ignored by the carrier, management can then fire them but first they need to exercise those options first to satisfy the Labor Department in case the carrier shows up wanting their job back. All of these should take a couple of weeks but the supervisors are always so busy, they don’t have time to do these in a timely manner. In the meantime, the route can stay vacant for a maximum of a year. Once that one year hits, I will be filing a grievance for management delaying a route going up. My DR said he’s going to meet with Labor this week and find out what the holdup Until then I wait.
Stick boxes are what we call regular mailboxes.
Read the title of the original post and then you’ll see what the original question was. No one was asking about a relief day. She’s getting that just fine.
