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NewEnglandGirl

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Like many other regulars, I am without an RCA. The last one I had was fired a couple months ago for being a no-show several times among other things...It's been years since I had a reliable one. Our office has hired 5 or 6 in the last 2.5 years. I filed a 120 day letter today and when I returned from route, PM tells me the district person who handles these issues called and 'explained' a few things. The things he claimed were:* We'd have to change over to a formula office.
* (I'm the senior K in our cluster) I would lose my Saturday relief day.
*He claims 120 days is a union "lie"-that it's actually 180 days...
*He said there's a new hire "in the pipeline" but this is the first we've (PM and I)
have heard this, after trying to contact him repeatedly to find out if job will be reposted or if we had any applicants THIS time (it's been posted a couple times since last RCA. He responded by phone immediately upon receiving 120 day letter today)
I'm not sure if contacting my steward to fill her in and get some input is a good idea, or if I should just wait it out.....
 
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Okay, here is what you do because it would appear that your PM and the clowns at District think you were born yesterday. First off, you click this link and print it out and take it into work tomorrow.


Secondly, you can show them this from Article 30.A.2 which says this :

2. The Employer shall make every effort to expeditiously
fill leave replacement vacancies when they occur.
Regular rural carriers shall have the right to require
that a leave replacement be assigned to their route.

Now, we all know that it is neither YOUR job nor OUR job to keep "them" in the loop or "check" them when they are...
Like many other regulars, I am without an RCA. The last one I had was fired a couple months ago for being a no-show several times among other things...It's been years since I had a reliable one. Our office has hired 5 or 6 in the last 2.5 years. I filed a 120 day letter today and when I returned from route, PM tells me the district person who handles these issues called and 'explained' a few things. The things he claimed were:* We'd have to change over to a formula office.
* (I'm the senior K in our cluster) I would lose my Saturday relief day.
*He claims 120 days is a union "lie"-that it's actually 180 days...
*He said there's a new hire "in the pipeline" but this is the first we've (PM and I)
have heard this, after trying to contact him repeatedly to find out if job will be reposted or if we had any applicants THIS time (it's been posted a couple times since last RCA. He responded by phone immediately upon receiving 120 day letter today)
I'm not sure if contacting my steward to fill her in and get some input is a good idea, or if I should just wait it out.....
contact her, your name says newengland, but your district dude sounds like the less than desirable person we deal with here...
 
Okay, here is what you do because it would appear that your PM and the clowns at District think you were born yesterday. First off, you click this link and print it out and take it into work tomorrow.


Secondly, you can show them this from Article 30.A.2 which says this :

2. The Employer shall make every effort to expeditiously
fill leave replacement vacancies when they occur.
Regular rural carriers shall have the right to require
that a leave replacement be assigned to their route.

Now, we all know that it is neither YOUR job nor OUR job to keep "them" in the loop or "check" them when they are testing you/us because some of the time "they" just do not know the rules and some of the time "they" DO know the rules and are trying to get away with something. What we all end up with is this..........when you add the "some" time that "they" don't know and the "some" time that "they" are trying to pull a fast one , we end up with ALL the time we are fighting, correcting, defending, lobbying, struggling, stressing, etc.
 
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Like many other regulars, I am without an RCA. The last one I had was fired a couple months ago for being a no-show several times among other things...It's been years since I had a reliable one. Our office has hired 5 or 6 in the last 2.5 years. I filed a 120 day letter today and when I returned from route, PM tells me the district person who handles these issues called and 'explained' a few things. The things he claimed were:* We'd have to change over to a formula office.
* (I'm the senior K in our cluster) I would lose my Saturday relief day.
*He claims 120 days is a union "lie"-that it's actually 180 days...
*He said there's a new hire "in the pipeline" but this is the first we've (PM and I)
have heard this, after trying to contact him repeatedly to find out if job will be reposted or if we had any applicants THIS time (it's been posted a couple times since last RCA. He responded by phone immediately upon receiving 120 day letter today)
I'm not sure if contacting my steward to fill her in and get some input is a good idea, or if I should just wait it out.....
If you really want to cause some discomfort, immediately file an Article 2 grievance on creed discrimination, charging the union with "lying" to both you and management about the 120-day letter.

(Mechanically, this argument would be a train wreck if article 2 didn't include a responsibility placed on the union. It's still a bit weird to argue, but, if you present that your manager is just "looking out for you", then this is a way to stop that mean ol' union rep!)

Really play it up if you want.

I'm really upset that the union would lie to me, but to also lie to management?! Wow! How ignorant. I mean, it's not like management doesn't also have a copy of the work rules in their pocket. I'm sure glad I can count on your honesty. We don't have time for lies in this office.

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Mr. Malicious Gossip may have to eat some humble pie if your steward investigates the claim.

I'd keep notes on this guy. Dates, times, who said what to whom. Just make sure your notes will make sense to you if you read/listened to them later.

If you want to take it a step further, and maybe make a point, once his lie is "discovered", file another article 2 grievance against management for creed discrimination.

This time, also throw in some ELM 665 provisions on the Postal Service Standards of Conduct.

Cite sections 665.13, 665.15, and (the kicker) 665.16.

665.16 Behavior and Personal Habits

Employees are expected to conduct themselves during and outside of working hours in a manner that reflects favorably upon the Postal Service. Although it is not the policy of the Postal Service to interfere with the private lives of employees, it does require that postal employees be honest, reliable, trustworthy, courteous, and of good character and reputation. The Federal Standards of Ethical Conduct referenced in 662.1 also contain regulations governing the off–duty behavior of postal employees. Employees must not engage in criminal, dishonest, notoriously disgraceful, immoral, or other conduct prejudicial to the Postal Service.

Dishonest management is an environmental "condition of employment" that could affect your employment future and history (if you ever choose to leave the PO).

You could try the "hostility in the workplace" argument, but your steward would have to understand the connection between a lying manager and its effects on any potential future disciplinary action.
 
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10 days to post. It took 12 days after 120 to have a PTF hired. RCA was in Academy for my office. 120 days is 120 days, zero exceptions. Always send copies of the letter to the DR, ADR, HR, and heck, Susan Knapp.

Senior K will keep Saturday. A Jr K can volunteer another day besides Saturday, which is already the case. That avoids formula.

This is only from my experience. If you are not Alpha, your results will be vastly different than mine.
 
NewEnglandGirl -- " PM tells me the district person who handles these issues called and 'explained' a few things."

"* We'd have to change over to a formula office."

-- Was your PM aware of that!! The PM has numerous hoops to jump through to have District even consider having your office go "formula".

"* (I'm the senior K in our cluster) I would lose my Saturday relief day."

-- The district person would have to run the formula to determine that.

-- Have you done something in the past to irritate the district person?

"*He claims 120 days is a union "lie"-that it's actually 180 days..."

-- Have your PM request the district person's reference!

"*He said there's a new hire "in the pipeline" but this is the first we've (PM and I)"

-- A new hire in the pipeline doesn't to you or the office any good.

"I'm not sure if contacting my steward to fill her in and get some input is a good idea, or if I should just wait it out....."

-- Sure, bring your steward and the Assistant District Representative in on this.

-- Maybe the ADR can review MOU #14 with the "district person", especially the "each and everyone of us is responsible for building a work environment that is healthy and successful." part as well as the real in's and out's of the 120-Day letter. Maybe the POOM or MPOO would care to sit in!
 
Where I am, its excuse after excuse as to why it takes a LONG time to get any bodies hired. I have been told that the positions are only posted for four days, not sure if that is accurate. If so, 4 days that is ridiculous !
 
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