• Everyone, please help make our jobs easier and choose the correct category. Thank you

All rca’s left amazon Sunday at 12 hours before finishing

lbpd16

lbpd16

Well-known member
Only 4 of us today for 8 amazon routes. Each route takes about 5 hours, about 65 stops and about 85 packages.

We all decided that we were not working more than 12 hours and would bring back whatever packages that were left.

our steward did warn us that we may be disciplined for it. At this point we don’t care. We refuse to work more than 12 hours

how can we disciplined for refusing to work more than 12 hours when that is actually against the rules ?

it’s bizarre
 
I believe there were new Sunday reporting procedures put in place this weekend.

It will be interesting to see how this works out.


Here is your defense.


432.32 Maximum Hours Allowed

Except as designated in labor agreements for bargaining unit employees or in emergency situations as determined by the postmaster general (or designee), employees may not be required to work more than 12 hours in 1 service day. In addition, the total hours of daily service, including scheduled workhours, overtime, and mealtime, may not be extended over a period longer than 12 consecutive hours. Postmasters and exempt employees are excluded from these provisions.
 
Deer smearer said:
I believe there were new Sunday reporting procedures put in place this weekend.

It will be interesting to see how this works out.


Here is your defense.


432.32 Maximum Hours Allowed

Except as designated in labor agreements for bargaining unit employees or in emergency situations as determined by the postmaster general (or designee), employees may not be required to work more than 12 hours in 1 service day. In addition, the total hours of daily service, including scheduled workhours, overtime, and mealtime, may not be extended over a period longer than 12 consecutive hours. Postmasters and exempt employees are excluded from these provisions.
Click to expand...
Looks like PM's And Super's need to suit up!!
 
Deer smearer said:
I believe there were new Sunday reporting procedures put in place this weekend.

It will be interesting to see how this works out.


Here is your defense.


432.32 Maximum Hours Allowed

Except as designated in labor agreements for bargaining unit employees or in emergency situations as determined by the postmaster general (or designee), employees may not be required to work more than 12 hours in 1 service day. In addition, the total hours of daily service, including scheduled workhours, overtime, and mealtime, may not be extended over a period longer than 12 consecutive hours. Postmasters and exempt employees are excluded from these provisions.
Click to expand...
I've been through this before and it's been posted here before I believe. "Except as designated in labor agreements for bargaining unit employees"

NRLCA covered management well and allows for more than 12 hours.
 
Here’s an update:

at reporting time the MPOO and another district person were already at the office. About an hour into work the acting PM takes me and another of the 4 of us involved outside and asks what happened yesterday. I asked if the discussion could lead to discipline and he said he didn’t know, he was just gathering facts. At that point I told him I’m not saying anything without a union rep. My rep showed up and suggested i should answer his questions, which I did, only short answers. My rep was present the entire time. We then went back to work. About a half hour later acting pm comes up to me and says he now wants a written statement as to what happened. I called for my rep and said I prefer to refuse. My rep said refusing could possible cause me more problems and suggested I write a statement, which I did. I only repeated what I said earlier and also wrote that I was making the statement under duress.

that’s where things are now. My rep expects they will take action against me. If so I will immediately file a grievance.

any other suggestions or input from the wise members of this forum?

thanks
 
lbpd16 said:
Here’s an update:

at reporting time the MPOO and another district person were already at the office. About an hour into work the acting PM takes me and another of the 4 of us involved outside and asks what happened yesterday. I asked if the discussion could lead to discipline and he said he didn’t know, he was just gathering facts. At that point I told him I’m not saying anything without a union rep. My rep showed up and suggested i should answer his questions, which I did, only short answers. My rep was present the entire time. We then went back to work. About a half hour later acting pm comes up to me and says he now wants a written statement as to what happened. I called for my rep and said I prefer to refuse. My rep said refusing could possible cause me more problems and suggested I write a statement, which I did. I only repeated what I said earlier and also wrote that I was making the statement under duress.

that’s where things are now. My rep expects they will take action against me. If so I will immediately file a grievance.

any other suggestions or input from the wise members of this forum?

thanks
Click to expand...
?Maybe begin the statement with
"Being in an excessively fatigued state, it is difficult to remember events accurately...." Or something about safety being so compromised, you felt you had to stop working/driving, etc?

I don't need to tell you this, but the "other side" seems to feel it is unnecessary to give absolutely candid accounts of their actions, right?
 
Last edited:
The PM should have taken better notes.
If you are involved in an investigation, and you could face disciplinary action ,you are required to answer questions.
When Management is conducting an investigation of others they will ask for written statements.
You are required to cooperate as a condition of employment.
"I don't recall any of the issues you are referring to" is an acceptable answer.
Sounds like they are looking for a ringleader.
Stick together or you all fall.
And don't tell a lie.
 
I wouldn't worry about anything really happening to you.

I mean they don't have enough employees as is if they are having RCAs working 12+ hours on Sunday. They should be happy they got you guys to show up and work 12 hours, that is already above and beyond in my eyes.

Just say you felt unsafe to continue working.
 
csparks said:
?Maybe begin the statement with
"Being in an excessively fatigued state, it is difficult to remember events accurately...." Or something about safety being so compromised, you felt you had to stop working/driving, etc?

I don't need to tell you this, but the "other side" seems to feel it is unnecessary to give absolutely candid accounts of their actions, right?
Click to expand...
Yep, think of it as a domestic dispute. You never tell or hear the full story from any involved party?
 
Jacob6875 said:
I wouldn't worry about anything really happening to you.

I mean they don't have enough employees as is if they are having RCAs working 12+ hours on Sunday. They should be happy they got you guys to show up and work 12 hours, that is already above and beyond in my eyes.

Just say you felt unsafe to continue working.
Click to expand...
Have your steward ask : if you did 2 routes...ask if double shifting isn't enough blood for them.
 
lbpd16 said:
Only 4 of us today for 8 amazon routes. Each route takes about 5 hours, about 65 stops and about 85 packages.

We all decided that we were not working more than 12 hours and would bring back whatever packages that were left.

our steward did warn us that we may be disciplined for it. At this point we don’t care. We refuse to work more than 12 hours

how can we disciplined for refusing to work more than 12 hours when that is actually against the rules ?

it’s bizarre
Click to expand...

Woot, woot! You all should be proud of yourselves. Enough is enough. The problem with saying anything is lawyers can twist your words. I think the rep gave bad advice. Hindsight is 20/20 but imagine this simple answer:

"There were 8 routes and 4 carriers scheduled. We worked 12 hours."

Not one more word out of your mouth. What you did will help somebody in the future.
 
And to top that off today they made me run a full route and case, sort parcels and run half another route. Today took 13 hours

seems to be some confusion between working over 12 hours and being “scheduled” to work over 12 hours

I don’t know why it matters. If we are not supposed to work more than 12 hours who cares if it was scheduled or it just took a longer time
 
Deer smearer said:
Who was in charge?

Were they there when you had finished your 12 hours?

Did they give you a direct order to go over 12?

Did they warn you of the consequences of failing to follow a direct order if one was even given?

They are failing to follow ELM. They are failing to schedule properly. Their fault.T
Click to expand...
Deer smearer said:
Who was in charge?

Were they there when you had finished your 12 hours?

Did they give you a direct order to go over 12?

Did they warn you of the consequences of failing to follow a direct order if one was even given?

They are failing to follow ELM. They are failing to schedule properly. Their fault.
Click to expand...
There is no management on Sundays. They chose a clerk to run things. Our standing orders are that we deliver until we are done. Usually the clerk gets calls from management during the day to see what’s going on. We made this choice ourselves just to stop at 12 hours. The clerk had nothing to say when we came back with packages as the clerk has no authority
 
This is one of those juicy vicarious things to watch from the sidelines, eh? Our inner badself can fling advice with no repercussions.

Like the Cowardly Lion from Wizard of Oz. "I'd wrap 'em in celophant....."

"I was told if I stayed out over 12 hours the POOM would smear tuna sherbet on me, then turn loose the big cats."
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

New Media

IMG_3774.jpeg
Screenshot_20260821_215326_NRLCA.jpg
IMG_4759.jpeg
IMG_4758.jpeg
1000003557.jpg
Screenshot 2026-08-21 at 17-27-24.png
Screenshot 2026-08-21 at 17-28-04.png
Screenshot 2026-08-21 at 17-28-32.png
1787345916429.jpeg
dpm.png
DoorMisc.png
IMG_3711.jpeg
Back
Top