Can’t find in writing
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A gate to a fenced-in yard you must first rattle prior entry implies entry post-rattle, thus the gate to the fenced yard was opened, likely by the rattler.
PO-603, Rural Carrier Duties and Responsibilities, Section 331.22 recognizes that there are conditions which carriers may leave packages subject to inclement weather.
This introduces the concept that even if carrier's could put the parcel meeting these conditions in a bag to protect it from inclement weather...
EthelAnne
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In general, you will not find negatives (what we're NOT supposed to do) as the list would be endless, only what we are required to do.
If your supervisor is requiring you to bag or open gates, ask them to show you the USPS policy requiring those actions.
Dumbassclerksyndrome
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And if mandated, ask for it in writing with all management signatures. Also, ask for an Also, ask for any supporting documentation that requires this. Also, ask for 8127 time due to the fact, it was not included in your last mail count evaluation. Play hard ball
margep -- "I have two things I can’t find in writing; 1. Do not open gates to a fenced in yard.
-- Good luck in finding anything in writing anywhere that pertains to the specifics in the way a rural carrier operates.
-- That being said, doing a word search for "gate" in the DMM ( 1770 pages ) does not yield anything specific regarding "gate" other than lots of other words have "gate" in them.
-- Ask manglement how RRECS standard - S140 Access Gate - will be handled.
-- A closed gate on a fenced in yard is that way for a reason -- usually a dog or maybe a youngster or both. Honk the horn to attract the customer. Other wise, put the mail in the mail box, leaving a 3849 in the mail box regarding why one would have to open the gate to deliver to the home. No matter what, a dog bite is ALWAYS the carrier's fault.
-- A posting from another rural web site: instructions to open closed gates do not exist, and will not be found anywhere in writing.
-- The "sort of" reference in Section 432.d. - Private Roads Or Lanes - in the M-38 yields:
- The road or lane has no unattended gates or obstructions that would hinder the immediate access of carrier vehicles or personnel.
-- Cherry picking now -- if the customer has the gated locked, now you have some "sort of " references:
- POM's Section 632.527 - Locks - in part: The postal service does not allow carriers to open locked mailboxes and DOES NOT ACCEPT KEYS for this purpose.
- DMM's Section 508.3.2.3 Locked Box. In part: the USPS neither opens a locked box nor accepts a key for this purpose.
-- Don't have a ready reference, but the USPS usually frowns upon carriers obtaining a key pad code for gated communities.
"and 2. We’re not required to bag parcels on rainy days when customer has not porch roof or anywhere to put out of the rain."
-- IF manglement supplies the bags, go ahead and actually provide the SERVICE, something that has dropped out of the USPS. ( at my first PO, bags of different sizes were provided, but eventually stopped )
-- Have your customers filled out PS Form 4232 ( Rural Customer Delivery Instructions ) regarding where and how they want parcels that don't require a signature to be delivered.
- on the form: Parcels will not be left in uncovered locations during inclement weather.
-- You could point that the above to manglement as it does not seem to matter if the parcel is in a bag or not.
-- Good luck in finding anything in writing anywhere that pertains to the specifics in the way a rural carrier operates.
-- That being said, doing a word search for "gate" in the DMM ( 1770 pages ) does not yield anything specific regarding "gate" other than lots of other words have "gate" in them.
-- Ask manglement how RRECS standard - S140 Access Gate - will be handled.
-- A closed gate on a fenced in yard is that way for a reason -- usually a dog or maybe a youngster or both. Honk the horn to attract the customer. Other wise, put the mail in the mail box, leaving a 3849 in the mail box regarding why one would have to open the gate to deliver to the home. No matter what, a dog bite is ALWAYS the carrier's fault.
-- A posting from another rural web site: instructions to open closed gates do not exist, and will not be found anywhere in writing.
-- The "sort of" reference in Section 432.d. - Private Roads Or Lanes - in the M-38 yields:
- The road or lane has no unattended gates or obstructions that would hinder the immediate access of carrier vehicles or personnel.
-- Cherry picking now -- if the customer has the gated locked, now you have some "sort of " references:
- POM's Section 632.527 - Locks - in part: The postal service does not allow carriers to open locked mailboxes and DOES NOT ACCEPT KEYS for this purpose.
- DMM's Section 508.3.2.3 Locked Box. In part: the USPS neither opens a locked box nor accepts a key for this purpose.
-- Don't have a ready reference, but the USPS usually frowns upon carriers obtaining a key pad code for gated communities.
"and 2. We’re not required to bag parcels on rainy days when customer has not porch roof or anywhere to put out of the rain."
-- IF manglement supplies the bags, go ahead and actually provide the SERVICE, something that has dropped out of the USPS. ( at my first PO, bags of different sizes were provided, but eventually stopped )
-- Have your customers filled out PS Form 4232 ( Rural Customer Delivery Instructions ) regarding where and how they want parcels that don't require a signature to be delivered.
- on the form: Parcels will not be left in uncovered locations during inclement weather.
-- You could point that the above to manglement as it does not seem to matter if the parcel is in a bag or not.
Dominator
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A gate to a fenced-in yard you must first rattle prior entry implies entry post-rattle, thus the gate to the fenced yard was opened, likely by the rattler.
PO-603, Rural Carrier Duties and Responsibilities, Section 331.22 recognizes that there are conditions which carriers may leave packages subject to inclement weather.
This introduces the concept that even if carrier's could put the parcel meeting these conditions in a bag to protect it from inclement weather, they are not directed nor required to do so.
It seems someone (be it the NRLCA or USPS) is arguing from ignorance, perhaps charging you to disprove their claims by doing all the research footwork for them.
If the absence of proof against a claim could be regarded as proof that it is true, then even the most bizarre of claims could be construed as true. Moreover, if a claim were so absurd or trivial that others never bothered to address it, a defender of such a claim would always win by default. - T. Edward Damer
Dumbassclerksyndrome
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There was verbiage a while back, when pkges started having “carrier leave if no response” that covered leaving pkges.
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