You do not get credit for PARS labels except under 'J"............. remember they were first to be done based upon 52 week average from your DATA? and you got 20 seconds or so?? Do you actually think you will get a single PARS label since they will be counted for 2 weeks instead of 52???? You WILL NOT get PARS credit.
Mini Mail Survey volume all computed through automated means?
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I appreciate a carrier trying to get all credit due. However, a former 17 second item is not going to be your money maker. Carriers get more credit for traffic jams on back dock under return2du.
ANY dismount is worth 3X the former credit of pars label.
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Casca
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Welllll….. you could start holding any mail piling up in boxes, say around 20 Feb, then 10 days later start the MLNA process on the scanner. Do one set of held mail a day if you have more than one being held for the required 10 days the scanner asks about. Should be good for a couple of PARS labels???
Carrierguy
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What do you say to the notion that accurate pay is not the duty of the employee. The duty to pay accurately rest on the employer. Under RRECS the USPS is making the carrier responsible for the accuracy of their pay.
Example:
If an employee works from 9am-5pm, but does not clock in until 9:30am. The employer is still required to pay for the full and accurate time worked. The fact that the employee clocked in late is not a valid excuse for not paying said employee for the hours they worked.
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Under RRECS how is the employee not being made responsible for the accuracy of their pay?
If I do not hit WSS but I deliver them. I am not accurately being paid for the work I do, and that responsibility lies solely on our employer. They do not get to say “oh you didn’t clock in, so we didn’t pay you”
Yes, the USPS or any employer can issue discipline for failure to follow procedure. But they are still required BY LAW to pay for the work done.
It's a lovely argument. I deal in resolution of facts. Documentation wins cases.
I expect another delay. If there is I'm pulling funds from the union, unless there is an actual mail count so I can be paid for the 400% increase in packages from the last mail count.
The issues I've seen for another delay are:
bundled flats counts, no accurate dossier of volume. We should know how many flats we're getting paid for on a daily basis.
Spurs vs packages, in 'package look ahead' you'll see a designation for spurs (folder img) and packages (box img) they are calculated by weight not size. Essentially we loose $ by not getting the time to get the package from the back of the vehicle.
Mapping, still not 100%
Website, all rural carriers where promised a website/app that would allow us to double check the numbers. It does not exist (as far as I know)
The issues I've seen for another delay are:
bundled flats counts, no accurate dossier of volume. We should know how many flats we're getting paid for on a daily basis.
Spurs vs packages, in 'package look ahead' you'll see a designation for spurs (folder img) and packages (box img) they are calculated by weight not size. Essentially we loose $ by not getting the time to get the package from the back of the vehicle.
Mapping, still not 100%
Website, all rural carriers where promised a website/app that would allow us to double check the numbers. It does not exist (as far as I know)
I was told stewards and manglement are being trained
They haven't paid us correctly since the last mail count. As long as the onion decides to kick the can down the road There is nothing we can do to ameliorate that situation
If this mail count gets delayed/rrecs cancelation I'm going to the NLRB against the onion. I'll ask for dues back, back pay and stress leave.
Carrierguy
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Bit of a politicians non-response.
been there done that. Basically union can negotiate and even throw out every line of the contract and put in totally different language. As the investigator said, it stinks and is wrong, but not illegal. Need to get better negoiators.
I don't make policy. Until such a day comes, I prefer to focus on the fights I take care of. I appreciate your concerns and conjecture but, it's above my pay grade.
YOUAREthecurrentresident
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As far as I know, those little symbols in Package Lookahead have nothing to do with our time credits. I'm under the belief that the credit you get is the location where you scan the parcel when delivering it. I honestly don't know wtf those symbols are for lol
RollinRural
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Here’s my non politician response to your lovely argument. In your example of the worker who clocks in at 9:30 but actually started working at 9:00, the worker would have the burden of proving that they actually started working at 9:00 in a legal case. Ask any labor law attorney. This is how the law actually addresses this issue, not a matter of opinion of how you think things should work.
In your example of the carrier who did not hit the WSS rural activity scan for a coverage that they delivered, the worker is not following the new scanning procedures, just like not scanning a parcel. How is this any different than not scanning a parcel which we are directly given time credit for under rrecs? It’s no different.
I would also add, the employer is responsible for verifying times written on the 4240 but it’s the worker’s responsibility to make accurate entries according to the PO603.
Also want to add, we’re no longer scanning just for the benefit of the mailer and recipient, we’re scanning to keep track of some of the work we do.
gotstamps
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It’ll likely be by Zoom instead of in person.
Carrierguy
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Yes typically but at other jobs there are typically cameras and such onsite and so it’s easy to verify what time the employee was there.
As far as scanning parcels it is indeed possible for us to verify the time/location of the parcel delivery. I can see my upcoming parcels and at the end of the day I can check my scanner to see if I have any parcels still labeled as undelivered. I can think confirm/deny if I delivered those I scanned parcels.
How is it different? Well I can verify my parcels. I cannot verify my flats data or any of my RRECS scans. I cannot verify any of my driving data. This is a HUGE problem for me because the USPS has lied about my route data in the past. I know, because I received a $5,000 settlement about it just last year.
Yes we’re scanning to keep track of the work we do. But have you seen even 1% of that data? When you hit TRIP2DOOR, BOXHOLDERS, WSS do you know if any of that has been actually paid?
When we input scans it going into the void, and you have to rely on trusting the USPS to pay you for it.
Carrierguy
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I am well aware of what it takes to prove a wage claim case. I had to work a second job while I was an RCA, in part due to my PM lying. During which my PM removed me from a hold down, so that a brand new RCA, could get a hold down on a Mon-Fri route. That new RCA being related to another long term PM. I grieved it, the PM brought in his friend a CCA to the grievance meeting. The CCA lied during the meeting and said he heard me tell the PM I no longer wanted the route. The Onion rep folded once he heard that.
So I have zero trust in the USPS or the Onion.
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As for my rebuttal. Let’s say you have a weekly box holder. How do you confirm you are paid for it? If you aren’t paid for it, How would you prove that you delivered it when it came time for a wage claim?
everyday I check my rrecs scans vs what I notated during the day. On back of 4240 I notate what I had vs what system said I had. It’s literally the only thing we can do. So if a grievance does happen you have documentation that can be used. Does it suck and take extra time, definitely does I still do it tho.
As far as paying rrecs will if it ever comes about be 6 months to a year behind what you are doing now. That is what is going to make it difficult to prove if you are being underpaid or not.
what gets me is many are against hourly, but hourly is easy to track. It is also the Easiest to verify every Friday with management. All on the clock getting paid to do it.
Carrierguy
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BTW my route has a ridiculous amount of dismounts with very long footage, so I should be okay. The RRECS calculator has me staying relatively close to my current evaluation.
I just don’t trust the USPS
I just don’t trust the USPS
Carrierguy
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But the 4240 goes away with RRECS it will be all on the scanner. So how will we document it then?everyday I check my rrecs scans vs what I notated during the day. On back of 4240 I notate what I had vs what system said I had. It’s literally the only thing we can do. So if a grievance does happen you have documentation that can be used. Does it suck and take extra time, definitely does I still do it tho.
As far as paying rrecs will if it ever comes about be 6 months to a year behind what you are doing now. That is what is going to make it difficult to prove if you are being underpaid or not.
what gets me is many are against hourly, but hourly is easy to track. It is also the Easiest to verify every Friday with management. All on the clock getting paid to do it.
I ask you this?
Given you check your RRECS scans daily, and you know your route as far as dismounts, DPS coverage, etc.. Can you then use that data to calculate just how the USPS arrived at your route evaluation?
