RuralConfusion22
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I thought the 86ppm was basically riffling time to verify sequence and so on.. not to case or deliver?? 
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Negative, take dps to street, verify and deliver.I thought the 86ppm was basically riffling time to verify sequence and so on.. not to case or deliver??
RuralConfusion22 -- "I thought the 86ppm was basically riffling time to verify sequence and so on.. not to case or deliver?? "
-- Riffling Time was supposed to be a timed even to at a minimum, ensure the letters were actually in delivery order, but because the counters could not be in several places at the same time, my last office used a set amount of time per DPS tray for riffling time - something in the order of 5 to 10 seconds per tray.
-- We also used 420 pieces of mail in a DPS tray as a "standard" amount. Based upon a rate of 86 ppm, one should be "able" to case a tray of DPS in about 5 minutes. ( yeah, right - not going to happen, even with an empty case ( IMHO )).
-- Adding on from another thread that indicated Certified's were no longer an accountable item, carriers were expected to "riffle" thru the DPS trays to pick them out. Way back when, there was a special term used when hunting for a specific piece of DPS letter mail, which had its separate actual timed event. Mail History Tracking System? Anyone??
-- Riffling Time was supposed to be a timed even to at a minimum, ensure the letters were actually in delivery order, but because the counters could not be in several places at the same time, my last office used a set amount of time per DPS tray for riffling time - something in the order of 5 to 10 seconds per tray.
-- We also used 420 pieces of mail in a DPS tray as a "standard" amount. Based upon a rate of 86 ppm, one should be "able" to case a tray of DPS in about 5 minutes. ( yeah, right - not going to happen, even with an empty case ( IMHO )).
-- Adding on from another thread that indicated Certified's were no longer an accountable item, carriers were expected to "riffle" thru the DPS trays to pick them out. Way back when, there was a special term used when hunting for a specific piece of DPS letter mail, which had its separate actual timed event. Mail History Tracking System? Anyone??
I use to separate first class from UBBM, so I could instantly dump the UBBM once in office. Now, I'm throwing everything in one pile. As soon as my butt hits my parking space, I hit J and start cleaning up the huge mess I've made throughout the route. Inside the office, I slowly and methodically, go back through all that removed mail and categorize it. My EOS time has ballooned and its frustratingly inefficient, but at least I'm getting credit for it. Anyone who cases DPS could do the same, blob all that mail together and take it for a ride. And, during count, that heap of mail will be counted as random/raw.
You get paid to fill up?
After the route today I'll also be waiting and paying while my ride gets $1000 worth of new tires put on before I can go home. BTW I'm getting non-Yokohamas for the first time just to get down to $1000.
When in the private sector I led one re-engineering project for employees in the US, before we ever started we disclosed the firm, and the employee names who were prime in conducting the study. They established an "in box" so anyone could email ideas, etc to them at any time, before or during the study. We encouraged interaction. Because our goal was to better align our human resources to the work that needed to be done, and also create jobs that our employees found valuable and rewarding.
If someone even hinted at this to post office leadership they'd be entombed in the nearest catacomb.
FrozenToes
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I thought the original rumor was the engineers had ZERO time for DPS. A direct result of pitch n ditch. ( My opinion) Thus we get a negotiated standard. Again my opinion.
Zero time for casing, as that's always been the situation. We get time for throwing it in the box as part of delivery. The 86 is from DPS tray to ready to throw in the mailbox. Totally unrealistic.
FrozenToes
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I'm talking there was no 86 ppm. at first. Maybe my memory is fading.
I appreciate you understanding where I am coming from with my " working backwards" analysis. For the union to come out and say all routes will lose 3 to 5 hours tells you pretty much all you need to know right there. First off, there are way too many variables within each specific route and the dynamics of each specific route to have a blanket " 3 to 5 hour" drop. And is that 3 to 5 hour drop based upon doing ALL the scans properly ? Half the scans all of the time ? Some of the scans most of the time ? See what I am getting at here ? Then let NONE of us forget for even ONE SECOND that there was the original data from the 5,000 test routes that was scrapped , discarded, etc. citing "faulty data " Was that classified as "faulty data" because each and every one of those test routes exploded and came back off of the pay scale ? Hmmmmm, we'll probably never know. After that, it still took years to get the standards we DO see. Why was that ? Then, there is that heavily redacted engineers final dtermination report. Why is THAT redacted and why did it take a FOIA Request to obtain it ? What more than likely occurred was both parties got together and the PO said they needed to cut costs by X amount. So, the two parties worked together working backwards from the original standards to get to the number needed. They had the original baseline standards and could go from there to get to the predetermined loss in hours overall nationwide to acquire the cost in savings in dollars. Part of that savings is RCAs working less, too. They have the total number of rural routes, what pay table each carrier is paid upon, breakdown of existing H, J, and K routes, total number of RCAs and THEIR respective pay tables, etc. It does not take all that much effort or intelligence to use a multiplier to deduct a predetermined amount so the losses jive up across the board. And there are standards that are so minute that they could be overlooked and / or ignored. Also, when you think about the fixed amount touted proudly, it is "just enough" to drop pretty much each and every route one route classification or, at least, more than enough overall to obtain the cost savings desired. That, coupled with the inherent flaws in the recording of credits and you have even more routes dropping a classification or TWO to further bolster the touted loss. This thing will come unraveled. It may take a few years but it will. With many routes in areas ALREADY not getting delivered , we can add to them with the exodus of carriers , regular and RCA alike, that will leave their employ with the PO. After public outcry due to no mail service, investigations will occur and real questions from people whom they cannot hide , dodge, or otherwise squelch will expose some interesting details. One last thing, we have another contract coming up real soon. We only know one direction and that is backwards. We think 86ppm is bad ? Just wait !!
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MildlyInfuriated
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If this is true, it’s probably 86ppm because they thought 100+ was too much so they just doubled the old number. When I case my dps I size it so I don’t verify hardly at all. That’s why I didn’t want to be one of the test routes, I knew I would skew the numbers in the wrong way.
Morty
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I'd encourage everyone to make up 86 pieces and take it to your local and state meeting. Offer $1,000 PAC donation if anyone can accomplish verifying 86ppm. Then ask your board rep to the challenge when they take the mic. I challenged Jeanette, the 1st historic glass ceiling female...1st to give us Sunday work, 1st to give us unpaid Amazon, 1st to give us table 2, 1st to give us 15 year apprenticeship...I asked her to demonstrate 86ppm. She couldn't. I asked why, she went ummmmmmmmm errrrrrrrr ummmmmmmm we weren't in the room when they decided that! The engineers said it was possible, nuttin' we could doooooo 'bout it...look folks, they wanted 236ppm, we wanted 43ppm, we settled on 86ppm. And besides, it's not worth much anyways!
ifitfitsitships
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I found the culprit that they based the study off of...
This also solves their manager excess issue. They'll be delivering mail because in some offices there will be no carriers willing to perform for the wages offered.
They're kidding themselves, thinking they'll get all the table ones to retire and promote subs to routes, affecting huge savings. Not going to happen. The retirements will, but they'll have severe labor shortages they'll force all managers back to carrying.
District will find that all those telecons really were a waste. And so District personnel will return to offices to carry.
What a cluster.
Morty
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I think they watched a documentary.I found the culprit that they based the study off of...
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coincidence. coincidence.Still think the simplest solution is the best. 43 x 2 = 86Explain it however you want, put icing over
it is still
A few questions here. Did she really say that the engineers said that 236ppm was possible ? " We settled on 86 ppm" . So, did she actually say that as well ? If so, then she acknowledges negotiating DID take place.
Haygrrl
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U know what...they get 2.3 min then I shut off the pump..fem
Haygrrl
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Contact Dr mericle....he's the one our ass. Hired.
