WTF

ShouldHaveStayedInSchool · Feb 28, 2023

Three days into this fiasco and no RADAR. “Figures are running a few days behind”, was the answer. I asked how can I dispute three days ago volume once its delivered.

Then someone who probably never touched a letter in their career e-mails offices no UBBM credit. I seen a comment on another thread about a video on the mini count (11 minutes into it) UBBM out of the DPS is a valid random letter credit.

RRECS is the new digital way to manipulate count data and it appears USPS is going to take every opportunity to use it to their best advantage.

Please feel free to expand on my rant….best of luck fellow carriers; we’re going to need it.

Deer Smearer · Feb 28, 2023

What does the USPS radar and NORAD looking for Chinese spy balloons have in common?

There’s nothing on them.

too many yrs left · Feb 28, 2023

And you'd have a hard time disputing using RADAR anyway. The numbers from EOR should be accurate but the pre-sort aren't expected to match anything on a day by day basis. And yes I'm not even referring about the two days late aspect.

TheDude · Feb 28, 2023

too many yrs left said:
And you'd have a hard time disputing using RADAR anyway. The numbers from EOR should be accurate but the pre-sort aren't expected to match anything on a day by day basis. And yes I'm not even referring about the two days late aspect.

So if I count every flat I get for a day and it's 100. Some is bundled and some is not. The person counting tells me that I got 75 flats today that she counted and put into the form. I check RADAR out abs it says I have ZERO bundled flats.

What happened to the other 25 flats? If they say it's on another days report, and can't specifically point to which day it is on, I should dispute the 75 number they credited me with as I had a verified 100 flats.

too many yrs left · Feb 28, 2023

No, radar will credit that 25 flats on a different day and there is no specific day you could point too. I'm not saying I trust the system either but this isn't something we would win on a grievance it's built into the system this way.

Old Fart · Feb 28, 2023

We were ASSURED we'd be able to verify the numbers in the systems. That was supposed to be one of the prime reasons for the delays recently (besides carriers not scanning correctly).

There is no way to verify anything. Trust the system.

seabass · Feb 28, 2023

so your bundled flats, shrink wrapped or plastic strapped flats should all be kept separate from your sorted flats. Sorted flats get a little sticky note with the number put on them by whoever counted them so you can verify the amount is correct. Keep all your sticky notes with the numbers for letters and flats and write the date on them. As your adding sticky notes for the day, MMM and forwards etc... keep them all together for that day. I stick them on the EOR for the day. There is a daily sheet they give you, signed by them with the numbers and you verify their numbers to your numbers to make sure they match. Then, you count your bundled flats and write the number down on that days EOR so when you finally get the RADAR you can compare your bundled flats number to the RADAR reports for that day. Do this for 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure the bundled flats number being far off will be the number one reason most will not sign to verify the survey.

IDPOSTAL · Feb 28, 2023

Had Costco magazines on Saturday. Radar shows 0 bundled flats on Saturday Radar. 130 on Mondays. I had 8 bundles. Someone in the office counted the costcos. Averaged 27 per bundle. Not pan radar after 2 days. What is gong on?? Sure not wanting to trust the radar report.....

DB.Cooper · Feb 28, 2023

too many yrs left said:
No, radar will credit that 25 flats on a different day and there is no specific day you could point too. I'm not saying I trust the system either but this isn't something we would win on a grievance it's built into the system this way.

Dang.... they really have created the ultimate shell game with this RRECS nonsense....

ShouldHaveStayedInSchool · Mar 1, 2023

Mini count propaganda.

flash · Mar 1, 2023

ShouldHaveStayedInSchool said:
Three days into this fiasco and no RADAR. “Figures are running a few days behind”, was the answer. I asked how can I dispute three days ago volume once its delivered.

Then someone who probably never touched a letter in their career e-mails offices no UBBM credit. I seen a comment on another thread about a video on the mini count (11 minutes into it) UBBM out of the DPS is a valid random letter credit.

RRECS is the new digital way to manipulate count data and it appears USPS is going to take every opportunity to use it to their best advantage.

Please feel free to expand on my rant….best of luck fellow carriers; we’re going to need it.

Is there still "other ubbm" as well as ubbm?

Cappy · Mar 1, 2023

seabass said:
Sorted flats get a little sticky note with the number put on them by whoever counted them so you can verify the amount is correct.

It was super easy to verify my sorted flats today. I had 0. Luckily, I got a Carrier PickUp, so that got me to 1 Flat. I've been racking my brain all day, trying to recall one single day out of 15 years running this route, that I didn't receive any raw flats.

Morty · Mar 1, 2023

IF the radar shows up on another day. Then why every day this week have I had over 100 missing. If this were true, I'd have more on some days.

Can anyone post factual documents showing that they update? Everywhere I see "trust us, it's there but you can't see or verify it"

Voglio-il mio · Mar 1, 2023

Cappy said:
It was super easy to verify my sorted flats today. I had 0. Luckily, I got a Carrier PickUp, so that got me to 1 Flat. I've been racking my brain all day, trying to recall one single day out of 15 years running this route, that I didn't receive any raw flats.

Is that something?
I didn't realize that a Carrier Pickup counted as a flat?

Cappy · Mar 1, 2023

Voglio-il mio said:
Is that something?
I didn't realize that a Carrier Pickup counted as a flat?

That's how my office has always counted it. Have to handle and case the Pickup.. I haven't come across anything that says the credit is "built in", yet. Our main supervisor is a former Rural carrier and Union Steward, so she does try to give credit where its due, for the most part. She called a meeting today to let everyone know that Radar is not showing ANY presort flats for some zones, so everyone should be counting their presorts, in case those numbers remain MIA.

edit: Actually just looked it up, there is a 6 sec handle and verify time. Wonder if that's assumed the form is left at the carrier's case? We use to get them at our cases, as they were handed out with the 4240s, but then sups started throwing them with our raw flats.

Voglio-il mio · Mar 2, 2023

Cappy said:
That's how my office has always counted it. Have to handle and case the Pickup.. I haven't come across anything that says the credit is "built in", yet. Our main supervisor is a former Rural carrier and Union Steward, so she does try to give credit where its due, for the most part. She called a meeting today to let everyone know that Radar is not showing ANY presort flats for some zones, so everyone should be counting their presorts, in case those numbers remain MIA.

edit: Actually just looked it up, there is a 6 sec handle and verify time. Wonder if that's assumed the form is left at the carrier's case? We use to get them at our cases, as they were handed out with the 4240s, but then sups started throwing them with our raw flats.

I think the 6 sec is basically for the scan on the street.

neciat · Mar 2, 2023

flash said:
Is there still "other ubbm" as well as ubbm?

YES !!! There ACTUALLY is STILL O/UBBM. Contrary to what the PO and MANY of the loyalists THINK, RRECS in no way whatsoever REWROTE ALL of the handbooks, manuals, forms, Step 4s, MOUs, Arb. Rulings, etc. Now, the markup credit / allowance is NOT as it was. It is based upon a formula which is based upon the volume of mail you receive. Provided ALL of the numbers are correct from what the plant processed as well as any mailings the carrier enters on the scanner combined with the presort numbers, your markups are figured and credited from THAT total number. The markups will only be correct if ALL of the other numbers are accurate. This is from the 603 which is STILL VALID.

13) Undeliverable Bulk Business Mail (UBBM). UBBM with a specific
customer name and address. When a piece of UBBM with a
specific name is undeliverable-as-addressed, place the mail to
one side of the case ledge or in another designated location at
the case. After completing casing of all mail designated for
delivery that day, bundle this mail and mark the top piece UBBM,
put your initials and route number on it, and leave it on the case
ledge.
(14) Other Undeliverable Bulk Business Mail. UBBM addressed to
Occupant, Resident, or using the exceptional address format
(John Doe or Current Address). Normally, this type of mail is
undeliverable only because the delivery point is vacant or the
address is incorrect. Place undeliverable UBBM marked
occupant, resident, or current resident to one side of the case
ledge, or in another designated location. After completing casing
of all mail designated for delivery that day, bundle this mail and
mark the top piece “Other UBBM,” put your initials and route
number on it, and leave it on the case ledge.

She mails rural · Mar 2, 2023

flash said:
Is there still "other ubbm" as well as ubbm?

Yes

Cappy · Mar 2, 2023

Voglio-il mio said:
I think the 6 sec is basically for the scan on the street.

"The time standards for Carrier Pickups begin in the office with S026 (Process carrier
pick‐up event forms). For Carrier Pick Up Request forms received by the carrier, the
route is credited with 0.114 minutes or 6.84 seconds to handle and verify the form."

She mails rural · Mar 2, 2023

neciat said:
YES !!! There ACTUALLY is STILL O/UBBM. Contrary to what the PO and MANY of the loyalists THINK, RRECS in no way whatsoever REWROTE ALL of the handbooks, manuals, forms, Step 4s, MOUs, Arb. Rulings, etc. Now, the markup credit / allowance is NOT as it was. It is based upon a formula which is based upon the volume of mail you receive. Provided ALL of the numbers are correct from what the plant processed as well as any mailings the carrier enters on the scanner combined with the presort numbers, your markups are figured and credited from THAT total number. The markups will only be correct if ALL of the other numbers are accurate. This is from the 603 which is STILL VALID.

13) Undeliverable Bulk Business Mail (UBBM). UBBM with a specific
customer name and address. When a piece of UBBM with a
specific name is undeliverable-as-addressed, place the mail to
one side of the case ledge or in another designated location at
the case. After completing casing of all mail designated for
delivery that day, bundle this mail and mark the top piece UBBM,
put your initials and route number on it, and leave it on the case
ledge.
(14) Other Undeliverable Bulk Business Mail. UBBM addressed to
Occupant, Resident, or using the exceptional address format
(John Doe or Current Address). Normally, this type of mail is
undeliverable only because the delivery point is vacant or the
address is incorrect. Place undeliverable UBBM marked
occupant, resident, or current resident to one side of the case
ledge, or in another designated location. After completing casing
of all mail designated for delivery that day, bundle this mail and
mark the top piece “Other UBBM,” put your initials and route
number on it, and leave it on the case ledge.

I thought I was the last man standing doing that but I see I'm not alone. Great