RRECs is getting ridiculous

Worve · Mar 5, 2023

Dominator said:
If USPS makes out on the deal, could NRLCA take RRECS to arbitration if they couldn't successfully negotiate a higher rate with USPS?

I dunno 150k+ seems like they were bought and paid for before rrecs anyways.

DB.Cooper · Mar 5, 2023

forrest said:
I would imagine anything can be taken to an arbitrator if you pay them but I wouldn't see it going anywhere then where it is as a whole it was agreed on already like it or not. But I wonder how many parts of it we can target for removal.

I thought the original MOU on this mess said it would not be grievable by either party.... anybody????

KDM · Mar 5, 2023

kizhawk721 said:
It's only one hour every 2 weeks for 8127 time , that's what we've been told.

They can give more if they get approval, they just use 1 hour as an excuse not to give more.

Dominator · Mar 5, 2023

forrest said:
I would imagine anything can be taken to an arbitrator if you pay them but I wouldn't see it going anywhere then where it is as a whole it was agreed on already like it or not. But I wonder how many parts of it we can target for removal.

Article 38.2 states,

Unless otherwise provided, this Agreement shall be effective on March 23, 2022, and shall remain in full force and effect to and including 12 midnight May 20, 2024, and unless either party desires to terminate or modify it, for successive annual periods. The party demanding such termination or modification must serve written notice of such intent to the other party, not less than 90 or more than 120 days before the expiration date of the Agreement.

Once a contract expires, all agreements are severed in the case of a motion to terminate, while only some agreements are severed in the case of a motion to modify.

Which evaluated system grants carriers a greater advantage, especially versus going hourly, and how can we be certain?

Dominator · Mar 5, 2023

Worve said:
I dunno 150k+ seems like they were bought and paid for before rrecs anyways.

Substitute NRLCA Constitution Article V, Section 4.png

BluesClues · Mar 5, 2023

csparks said:
Amen. If I run into anything on the route, it gets a RRECs carrier pickup, plus prepaid acceptance.

Something else funny happened yesterday that I've never seen before. Though I know Package Lookahead is not completely reliable, I glance at it occasionally. (don't use Load Truck). Yesterday, it only showed about 1/4 of my parcels when I checked it mid-morning.
I looked at it again near the end of route, and now suddenly ALL my parcels for the day were listed. Very weird. These were things I had definitely scanned delivered.

Exact same thing in my office.

kizhawk721 · Mar 8, 2023

BluesClues said:
Exact same thing in my office.

It will be at the end of the day and say I still have 2 more to deliver , but I delivered all of them . I didn't have any for the customers

MostlyHarmless · Mar 8, 2023

Well guys I got written up for having my ubbm tub on the left... more specifically "Failure to follow instruction because I was told to put it on the right."

I admit I was a dick about not moving it. Been with the po over 10 years been to multiple offices as both a sub and a 204b never heard of ubbm tubs having a "standardized designated place for the tub under your case" This is literally the dumbest

I've ever heard of in my postal career.

Dominator · Mar 8, 2023

PastOThirty and many more said:
Also misaligned incentives. If their incentives was tied to “average” wages, how would wages be negotiated going forward?

Of course 500 percent of the median table 2 carrier salary might start to look grossly excessive.

Yep. That's why I didn't separate the tables. 2xx% of National average over all Regular Carriers.

Even if mine isn't the solution, the question needs discussed.

Joe Reeser · Mar 9, 2023

kizhawk721 said:
It's only one hour every 2 weeks for 8127 time , that's what we've been told.

They're lying.

stillfirstclass · Mar 9, 2023

Joe Reeser said:
They're lying.

district here, absolutely refuses, anything over 59 minutes, and you better have every t crossed, your fingers crossed and your i's dotted and your eyes crossed, and maybe just maybe you'll get it..

EthelAnne · Mar 9, 2023

stillfirstclass said:
district here, absolutely refuses, anything over 59 minutes, and you better have every t crossed, your fingers crossed and your i's dotted and your eyes crossed, and maybe just maybe you'll get it..

Grieve it if you don’t get paid what’s owed you.

Dominator · Mar 9, 2023

FlRcaSurfer said:
I love that resolution. You might consider separating the term limit part from the salary part though.

Original text:

Substitute text through amendment for whatever reason you wish to add.

w2e2w2e · Mar 9, 2023

Dominator said:
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Wait, is this a real binding contract modification, or a proposed mod?

Dominator · Mar 9, 2023

w2e2w2e said:
Wait, is this a real binding contract modification, or a proposed mod?

It would be a constitutional amendment. Sign your name to it and try it out in your state convention if you'd like. I just put it on a form for those who wanted to print it up and do what they will.

w2e2w2e · Mar 9, 2023

Dominator said:
It would be a constitutional amendment. Sign your name to it and try it out in your state convention if you'd like. I just put it on a form for those who wanted to print it up and do what they will.

If I am still around I will.
It sounds very reasonable that their pay should be based on ours.

Rcflyn · Mar 9, 2023

w2e2w2e said:
If I am still around I will.
It sounds very reasonable that their pay should be based on ours.

Oh, it is….. we get a raise, they get theirs….. we wait for 6 months for ours to take effect, but theirs gets implemented immediately! I don’t recall exact time frames, but I do remember looking at paystubs, and union dues changing…. I wanna say, dues went up within a pp or 2 of contract ratification, but we still waited 6 months for the raise…..
question to ponder now…… I think we pretty much all agree, wrecks is gonna kill us over all….. some of us will gain (the old30%ers) most of us will loose (the old 70%ers)…. But will our union dues change to match this fluctuation in changes? Why should WE have to suffer the loss (if the 70% is right) of paying the same dues, when only 30% MIGHT actually gain…. But we’ll all still be paying the same dues….. IF, 70% looses, and 30% gains, then shouldn’t our spineless bastids of representation have to suffer the same 70% loss vs 30% gain? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, my gram ma always used to tell me…..
I vote everybody in high office get the 70% loss, and the local/area get the 30% gain……
fair is fair…….. we gotta deal with this projected 70%-30% split…… so should they!

Edge · Mar 9, 2023

Rcflyn said:
Oh, it is….. we get a raise, they get theirs….. we wait for 6 months for ours to take effect, but theirs gets implemented immediately! I don’t recall exact time frames, but I do remember looking at paystubs, and union dues changing…. I wanna say, dues went up within a pp or 2 of contract ratification, but we still waited 6 months for the raise…..
question to ponder now…… I think we pretty much all agree, wrecks is gonna kill us over all….. some of us will gain (the old30%ers) most of us will loose (the old 70%ers)…. But will our union dues change to match this fluctuation in changes? Why should WE have to suffer the loss (if the 70% is right) of paying the same dues, when only 30% MIGHT actually gain…. But we’ll all still be paying the same dues….. IF, 70% looses, and 30% gains, then shouldn’t our spineless bastids of representation have to suffer the same 70% loss vs 30% gain? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, my gram ma always used to tell me…..
I vote everybody in high office get the 70% loss, and the local/area get the 30% gain……
fair is fair…….. we gotta deal with this projected 70%-30% split…… so should they!

I don’t think 30% will gain maybe more like 10% at best will gain a small fraction. These fools aren’t factoring in the amount of losses they are gonna take on everything else. If lucky they MAY break even. They can’t see past the smiling boxes to notice they have been hoodwinked again!

Rt2mailman · Mar 10, 2023

MostlyHarmless said:
Well guys I got written up for having my ubbm tub on the left... more specifically "Failure to follow instruction because I was told to put it on the right."

I admit I was a dick about not moving it. Been with the po over 10 years been to multiple offices as both a sub and a 204b never heard of ubbm tubs having a "standardized designated place for the tub under your case" This is literally the dumbest I've ever heard of in my postal career.

You should grieve this, as we all should grieve any discipline any of us receive.
As I see it, you were trying to be “safe” by not moving your UBBM tub to the other side of your case. You REQUIRE it to be on the side of the case that you are used to, so you don’t end up throwing the UBBM pieces on the floor where you were bending over EXCESSIVELY to retrieve them, which was contributing to your back pain. It made ergonomic sense to you to leave the tub where you have kept it for SO MANY OF YOUR YEARS at the Usps and then move it at the end of your casing time, you just forgot to move it to the place your pm wanted it to be, even though it was unsafe for you to have it there.

Anytime we choose to not follow an order from our managers, make safety the reason we COULD NOT follow their order.
The question in your grievance under the complaint area should be:
“Can I be disciplined for not following an order that I believed to be unsafe for me to follow?”
Have your pm initial the 3.b space with the date of your “First step discussion” when you show him your grievance. Make a copy for yourself and your pm and send the original to your steward.
Then place the tub on the side you like, but move it “near” the place your pm wants it when you get ready to leave for the route. Ask for miscellaneous time to do this on this last day of count.

Gotrope · Mar 10, 2023

And file an eeoc for harassment. There is no standardized ubbm placement in any manual. They only state a place must be utilized for the function. This is 100% a power trip. File an EEOC on harassment against usps policy standards and a 1767 for excessive body movements and repetitive motion increase.

Unlike city carriers, rurals actually have input and preferences considered when setting up cases. Part of the evaluated system includes setting up a case to be most efficient for that carrier.