What actually constitutes as rrec's training????

Hello You'all,
Had a meeting with postmaster the other day, several rts. all together, got read a paper so fast by the pm, I could barely catch half of what pm was saying.
It was our rrec's training paper on how we were supposed to be doing all the scans...
Long, and short...pm skipped a few things in the reading here, and there, pm said it didnt apply. Hhmmmm...the pm said..DONT LEAVE THE ROOM WITHOUT SIGNING THE "I'VE BEEN TRAINED ON RREC'S SCANS" sheet. We werent in there for 3 minutes, if I had to guess. I refused to sign it.
Now the reason I'm posting this is....theres NO DANG WAY THAT QUALIFIES AS TTRRAAIINNIINNGG!!!! My pm couldnt train there way out of a wet paper sack. Im thinking seriously about grieving this. What actually constitutes training in this situation!!??? There are hundreds of different things in rrec's that we are now being required to abide by, and if you think I'm gonna remember them all in a 3 minute speed reading contest, I got news for ya...I'm not gonna.
I am fed up with this CRAP!!!! All they are getting ready to do, is set us up for discipline, usher out the old guard, and bring in the new, that doesnt know squat, and will leave if harrassed too badly. Should I grieve this??? Pm kept repeating to me, you've were here, youve been trained!!! I said, this isnt training...give us some hands on training, give us a chance to actually learn by actually doing it....uugghhhh....these people tick me off. Training requirements in contract??? Grievances won?? Need some information to fight the battle with...

You don’t have to sign anything and a piece of paper, being read by management , is not training. Unions stance on scans differ from USPS comprehension of scans. Until EVERY office is on same page with scans, it’s a show going downhill fast.

Dumbassclerksyndrome said:

Until EVERY office is on same page with scans,

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Put down the pipe and step away from the crack.

Joe Reeser said:

Put down the pipe and step away from the crack.

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He$1 bell…. Can’t even walk into and APO and carriers doing same thing. I’m delusional

Y’all should have amended your pm’s little sign up sheet to read : I’VE NOT BEEN TRAINED ON RRECS SCANS … , then everybody sign & give back.
TRUTH in advertising !

I really don't think the union will back many grievances complaining of insufficient training, as they have made the info readily available on their website and they have taken the stance that it is a carrier's responsibility to care enough about his career and paycheck to have educated himself on this stuff before now. Nat'l leadership statements to that effect have been dribbling downward for a while.

I just this week had to sign something, and got another copy of the scanner RRECs features. I think THAT is the response to people complaining they didn't get trained. Every PM gets signatures, clicks something on their computer, and the office is logged as "trained".

Nobody has been trained when there is such ambiguity among the interpretation of the scans !

HardearnedTan said:

I really don't think the union will back many grievances complaining of insufficient training, as they have made the info readily available on their website and they have taken the stance that it is a carrier's responsibility to care enough about his career and paycheck to have educated himself on this stuff before now. Nat'l leadership statements to that effect have been dribbling downward for a while.

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Well if it is on their website, what are non-union members suppose to do???? Just my argument against insufficient training.

I've never checked to verify but was being said that the RRECS crap was accessible to all from homepage without proving union membership. BUt maybe that was just the recent dispute process info & forms? Someone will chime in who's tested the availability of the info.

What does the USPS use to train their staff ? Surely not that 99 page guide. That’s what I want to see !

@Shannonboy They are JUST NOW breezing through a RRECS scan sheet at the speed of an auctioneer to "claim" they have trained your office ? Just now ? I mean the first evaluations , if anyone could REALLY call them that , have been out a little over a month. Has your office even mapped ? While this is totally inexcusable and we all know where the fault on this is assigned, this CAN help the carriers in your office when anyone of them have to explain any "excessive scans" ( which is another issue in and of itself ) because they were "just trained the other day".

HardearnedTan said:

I've never checked to verify but was being said that the RRECS crap was accessible to all from homepage without proving union membership. BUt maybe that was just the recent dispute process info & forms? Someone will chime in who's tested the availability of the info.

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RRECs info is not available to non members

There is RRECS specific training but it's an hour long Powerpoint that only goes through DPM and LTM. PM probably gave you the Cheat sheet for scans and read through it like a tweaked out squirrel. There's a reason the Comprehensive Guide is as lengthy as it is. Everything from time standards to methodology and even scans goes pretty in depth. But the reading level is going to be a bit high for most people.

RammerJammer said:

What does the USPS use to train their staff ? Surely not that 99 page guide. That’s what I want to see !

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Exactly! Why is the union responsible for training when we don’t get paid by the union? I want to see the postal service training guide since they are the ones paying me!

Allch Chcar said:

There is RRECS specific training but it's an hour long Powerpoint that only goes through DPM and LTM. PM probably gave you the Cheat sheet for scans and read through it like a tweaked out squirrel. There's a reason the Comprehensive Guide is as lengthy as it is. Everything from time standards to methodology and even scans goes pretty in depth. But the reading level is going to be a bit high for most people.

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A TWEAKED OUT SQUIRREL!!!! HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Well...you nailed that one right on the head!!! Thats exactly what it was like...and I cant see the comprehensive guide being read by our pm ever...that would require actual concentration over 10 minutes, and I'm not sure thats possible...

Allch Chcar said:

There is RRECS specific training but it's an hour long Powerpoint that only goes through DPM and LTM. PM probably gave you the Cheat sheet for scans and read through it like a tweaked out squirrel. There's a reason the Comprehensive Guide is as lengthy as it is. Everything from time standards to methodology and even scans goes pretty in depth. But the reading level is going to be a bit high for most people.

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It doesn't help the only resource we have is from the union and now months after roll out things in it are still being eliminated and nobody is telling us. We should have a guide from our actual employer so we can hold them accountable to it. We also should be able to see the unredacted engineer study.

An example of what the training sounded like ;

I was enjoying a day off and missed out on the RRECS Handout distribution.

HardearnedTan said:

I really don't think the union will back many grievances complaining of insufficient training, as they have made the info readily available on their website and they have taken the stance that it is a carrier's responsibility to care enough about his career and paycheck to have educated himself on this stuff before now. Nat'l leadership statements to that effect have been dribbling downward for a while.

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Don’t you love it when a unions most popular move is to blame the people they’re supposed to protect