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RollinRural
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Why do you think rurals have aux.,H,J, and K routes? Rural pay has always fluctuated.
Maybe you should have been a city carrier.
To make the PO more money and cost them less is the reason we have varying route types.
Carrierguy
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Awful take. Not even based in reality.
In the past rural carrier pay didn’t change every 6 months based off unverifiable data. And now with methods of measurement changing it’s impossible to know what your route will be come next count
Do better..
RollinRural
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Wrong again.
We had time standards change around 2010, can’t remember exactly now, which led to our next contract going to arbitration, which led to rrecs being developed.
Mail counts were typically yearly with special counts in September and so we had counts every six months in the past, which resulted in routes going up and down all the time.
You obviously haven’t been around very long.
What’s unverifiable is having two weeks of very low mail and parcel volume during the mail counts back then. We’ve been over all this before, but you don’t listen or learn, nor have you even looked at the 99 page rrecs guide because you refuse to pay union dues.
the difference being we understood what made our routes change, and could identify how management was cheating. Now we have no clue whats going to happen, and no idea what we can really do to protect our pay.
RollinRural
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Just read the 4241m
Read the radar.
Look at your scanner at end of day for total scans and average that for the year yourself.
Look at your mapping.
It’s not that difficult.
Rrecs is light years ahead of what we had before.
Light years when it works. If you don't phsically count your mail every day, you really don't know if it's correct
Carrierguy
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Where did I say standards never changed in the past? Keep up.
Every single time you make a comment 90% of people are disagreeing with you. Let me guess you’re one of those MAGA(My *SS GOTTA ANSWER) types who thinks the whole world is wrong and only you have the right answer to every single discrepancy.
They just announced they averaged Coverage Factors together in the last count. Who in their right mind would ever think you could average together two unequal items. But this is what you support.
Of course I don’t pay union dues. What sucker would continue to pay dues to a Union that has failed at every opportunity. Why would anyone give their money to a Union that turns off comments on their pages, so that they don’t have to read responses from members?
Also I’m gonna blow your mind here….You don’t need to be in the union to read the RRECS guide. Shocker I know!
Did YOU read the part where they stated the scanner has difficulty plotting accurate points within a building. Did YOU read where you get the straight line footage from park point to the door, REGARDLESS OF IF A STRAIGHT LINE IS POSSIBLE?
Carrierguy
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You can’t even count your mail.
Let’s say this is the proper official address:
123 Main St
Apt 1A
Which one of these are you getting credit for?
123 Main St
Unit 1A
123 Main St
Apartment 1A
123 Main St
Apt A1
123 Main St
Apt A 1
123 Main St
Apt A-1
RollinRural
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Sorry to hear you don’t understand what the concept of “average” means even though you just literally stated it.
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Edge
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Right, in the case of parcels if you look on your lookahead, unless the address is 100% correct it only shows up as 123 Main St. Seems like a lot Temu and Shien come like this often.
How do you get credit for this? Did you map a location of 123 Main St? No because you mapped 123 Main St
Apt 1A.
There is no regular 123 Main St address on your route. How does the geofence match an address that is NSN?
How does it award you credit for an address not recognized? If it was a letter it would be IA and also the machine wouldn’t match it with the correct address so no delivery credit.
It’s one of the many MANY, super obvious flaws that should have been taken care of before implementation.
The reason they aren’t fixed is because the onion big pants haven’t carried mail in so long, they don’t even know what to look for, unlike us grunts fighting in the trenches.
EXACTLY!!!! Old mail count you knew you were getting screwed but at least you have rough idea of what your route will be.
What happens if my coverage goes down from 93% to 85%? I magically lose how much time???? How can verify it unless I keep account of how many boxes I stop at???
SilverHair
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In casino terms, the house wins. Carriers have to prove everything. In disputes, if you didn’t have data to prove errors, you lose. Puts all the burden on carriers to spend extra uncompensated time counting, requesting reports that don’t match daily numbers, etc. Majority of carriers won’t or don’t have the extra time or fortitude to do that. Management doesn’t have to prove anything. They hand us 4241s and say prove otherwise.
jsthere723
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What about Apt # A1 ?
Voglio-il mio
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Potentially 8% of your current evaluation.
SilverHair
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93% down to 85% is an 8% drop, but coverage factor only applies to the box credit, not to the whole evaluation. See line items 2-6 on page 1 of 4241M. The time lost will depend on how many boxes you have on your route and which type of box. For example, if you have 600 all curbside boxes on your route, an 8% drop in coverage factor would be a loss of 48 curbside boxes. At 0.2030 minutes daily per curbside box, that is a total daily loss of 9.744 minutes, or 58.464 minutes per week. If you have different types and numbers of boxes, you would calculate each loss separately and add them together for total loss.
As far as being able to know/prove coverage factor is correct, that’s a whole different ballgame. It would be a major headache to try to calculate coverage factor for cbus since it’s likely every single day delivery is being made to some boxes that do not have dps or parcel scans, so the system is not giving credit for those boxes (unless had full coverage from WSS/boxholders). You would have to keep track of only those cbus that received scannable parcels or dps.
And it would also be a bit of a pain to keep track of how many curbside boxes were not stopped at, keeping in mind that dps hold and business closed mail still supposedly gives coverage factor credit even when don’t stop at box.
If you are a heavy dps and/or WSS/boxholder route, it may not be as much of a pain to keep track. I suppose if you had the fortitude to keep track of all this, and record it on your 4240 and in your private notes, you would have a very strong dispute if coverage factor didn’t come out very close to the same as your numbers.
Yeah and see that's where I get mad. My pay can change just because of coverage factor. My route is somewhat boxholder heavy. I have minimum 2 every single week, which is partially why I have that high of a number.
Wow you sound like my pm
