They know RRECS was not ready and stated this fact to the Postal Regulatory Commission on May 4, 2023, two days before implementation. How is this not a big deal?
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It was a way for USPS to save money by not paying employees, so it got a green light.
Exactly or I mean I can deal with if there is a minor flaw or two that can be fixed in a reasonable time, you can implement it and fix it with giving back pay. This is bad all around. I mean I am still waiting on my dispute over the # of CBUs and collections on my route. Should have been easiest dispute to solve with photos and seeing what credit they gave me, but nope. Been working an hour a week for free every week. Still can't define things. At least with old mail count, you knew you got screwed on the mail volume, but yet everything was pretty much defined. This one is just throw a dart at the board because you have NO CLUE what random coverage factor number you will get.
Yep! Why I am mad. Any other company with decent union or CEO would have looked at this and said something isn't adding up right. They would have delayed it until fixed. Dejoy/USPS could have easily stopped but instead he let it through and now look at the savings with RRECS and ton of table 1 people leaving. Just look at the savings is all they can say. Oh they haven't been counted in forever. No that's not why people lost. Let's just make up some outrageous numbers for standards and boom. I mean if mail volume is down sooooooo much as they claim, why did the standard double for verifying mail?????
Haygrrl
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Lol..omg that made me flinch
Carrierguy
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Lol @RollinRural always giving a thumbs down without actually giving an evidenced backed opinion
Duckyslide
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Perfectly stated! I will be quoting this hope you don’t mind.
OldHillbilly
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Problem is RRECS is like a sinking boat, they have given us a bucket to bail the water out to try to keep it afloat. However, the bucket is full of holes so management and the union's response is the give us band aids and duct tape to try and plug the holes. That is not the way to fix the problem, while they focus on the bucket they ignore the fact that what they really need to do is figure out how to fix the leaks in the boat.I agree% that RRECS stinks and it is too complicated for everyone (us AND them). They’re trying to fix what they can, where they can. Would it be better to not try to plug the leaks and just let people drown? Abandoning the ship is not an option …
And of course if the holes in the boat can't be fixed you are at some point going to have to go down with the ship or abandon it. Automated Flat Sorters, Load Leveling and other such innovations(?) where shelved in the past or swept under the rug and it is time for RRECS to joint that infamous list. The technology and expertise to make RRECS viable apparently does not exist at this time, the PO is way over its skis. So abandoning ship is an option, it certainly has been done before.
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jsthere723
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I answer with lot of trepidation and without any solid information actually. And I have no solid proof . And to me solid proof is a daily report from central RRECS server detailing what is uploaded . But what I can deduce from the all other so far established data is that if all these separate people really logs on rural on street right route then the parcels are credited properly. The letter and flat volume is never in danger anyway . Only thing is questionable is all the missing R data —- load time , EOS , Full coverage , trip2door etc etc . I believe system is designed to plug in 52 average for all of them in that case . Any and all of them bar none . This is despite what the management or union telling us otherwise. For all practical purposes route is getting credited as far as they are concerned.
I tried to do a little experiment with all the coverage ( WSS letter , flat , box holder letter and flat) credit I got in 4241A or 4241M . I tried to ascertain with my number of deliveries, how many set I got credited in 52 weeks . I always land in so many point five or so many point six sets . I tried multiplying for 52 weeks and 301 days . I always land on a number with fraction. Never a round number or even close . How that can be ? If the data is from 52 weeks it should always land on a round number . Off course if the data was from different number of weeks and I am trying to multiply it to 52 weeks then it will land on a fraction. Anyway, try it for yourself with your numbers. So then I started suspecting that maybe system is plugging in average in missing days for full coverage also thereby resulting in a fraction number in 52 weeks total .
Bottom line nobody knows for sure . No transparency
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They knew after 6 years of no counts they had to compensate the carriers on Amazon routes so they finally compensated the half that was getting screwed and screwed the other half that were riding the gravy train for 6 years.50% like Rrecs 50% dislike Rrecs.If they wait 6 years to do an evaluation and it flips again the half that makes out won't give 2 sh-ts about the other half.
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No, I disagree. They know they could now screw 2/3 of carriers now with the covid parcels out the way and Amazon opening up in alot of markets, decrease in mail volume and have the ability fudge the numbers and save alot of money. 2/3 is more than half. If it would benefit them to go another year without mail counts they would have done it.
OldHillbilly
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Just because you don't seem to care about 2/3 of your fellow coworkers doesn't mean that I won't care when Amazon leaves your route and the axe falls. For your information I was an Amazon route that lost 2 hours, so not all prospered under RRECS. You can continue to try to divide us by lumping us into 2 categories (Amazon and Gravy Train) if it somehow makes you feel vindicated, but I will stay on the side that thinks and has illustrated how RRECS is a poorly conceived and executed pay system. I was on the Amazon side of your equation, certainly not the gravy train one. I lost as I have stated before 2 hours under RRECS and I am not in the lightest time of year beating evaluation by much. So if you want to continue to do your victory laps under a very suspect pay system, go ahead and divide and mock 2/3rds of your fellow carriers. Any factual fallacies of RRECS I post here you are just going to ignore anyway, have fun reaping what you are sowing.
After 6 years of 2/3 of my office laughing their a$$ off at the 1/3 that were delivering twice as many parcels and finishing at 1 o'clock and letting everybody know what time they came back yes I have no sympathy.
OldHillbilly
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Well that may be sadly true at your office but don't let it cause you to be bitter to all other carriers. Don't allow the bad behavior of some to cause you to be callous toward people you don't even know. I pity them, but don't let that cause you to use their bad behavior to condemn others unjustly.
Don't forget about the carriers that delivered Amazon for free since 2018 and then lost Amazon in October 2022. They will never be compensated.
Amazon started dumping on our dock in June of 2018 and two of us (multi zip office) lost Amazon in March of 2022. She fell to an H and I was able to, thanks to C$$, hang on to a J.
Opposite happened in a cpl offices who never had Amazon around here. They got Amazon within a cpl weeks to a month of rrecs going live. Given those offices all dropped dramatically with it going live. They have a good chance to recoup much of that lost time. I don’t see it happening talking to the rcas at those offices. Regulars and subs alike just hang everything from mailboxes to this day or place by the mailbox. a cpl have taken the initiative to better themselves and route and take everything they can to door.
Ineverslice
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I was going to respond to glen but you did it much better than I could. Ours is a heavy Amazon office also, I lost 3 hours. Rarely beat eval this summer and everyone knows this is the light period.
Bad math correction. It was my dispute.
It helps those with CBU/CENT.
