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Rca fired this morning

lbpd16

lbpd16

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One of the rcas told management last week that he would be unable to work 3 days this week due to a sudden personal issue. I’m not sure but it seems they may have spoken and management agreed to give this person 2 days off. This person took 4 days off this week and management was not happy and felt like the carrier went back on their deal. This person didn’t use E LRA or the 800 number but instead called the lead clerk and said he would not be in. Carrier shows up today then disappears. Later we heard that management fired the carrier.

I’m not picking either side in this nor did I give any advice nor plan to to the carrier

I guess like any contract violation management can do what they want by firing someone in the spot. However I believe contractually there must be some kind of process unless a serious situation or insubordination. I would think a meeting with the carrier and steward (II) and a letter of warning or short term suspension would be the starting point.

I have no idea if the rca has already spoken to the union or plans to grieve this.

Just wondering how these things should go contractually
 
Rca should have been career in May after a career carrier left and a route came open. But manglement didn’t post the opening and rca didn’t grieve it but continued to work as an rca. I even told the rca what to do but never did anything I suggested.
 
lbpd16 said:
Rca should have been career in May after a career carrier left and a route came open. But manglement didn’t post the opening and rca didn’t grieve it but continued to work as an rca. I even told the rca what to do but never did anything I suggested.
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This could be a big part of the problem. The old "law won't help those that don't help themselves" issue. Highly competent people take the extra steps along the way.
 
Defiant said:
If the NRLCA was doing their job there would at least be an Area Steward to fix this. Dude was probably not paying dues so the NRLCA hung the office out to dry. Typical. Common sense would be to protect everybody because when you don't, dues paying members get shafted too. All they see is money. So sick of this shit to be honest.
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Yeah, my knee jerk reaction was a little lacking, considering the situation most offices are in with staffing. I doubt that bending a little for this RCA would have amounted to being "run over" or manipulated. When times are tough, the boss has bend.
 
Wtf. Fire what few we have? Sure makes sence!
(I’m thinking there’s just a bit more than tho op knows about)

we've got a sub, that we was originally told “needed undetermined time off” for personal reasons. (This was early/mid spring)….. well, here we are in mid December, and she’s still “off”….. I’ve heard rumors, she was out for death in family. I’ve heard she’s off for family medical issues. (I’ve texted her, but she never responds to my texts)….. and I’ve heard rumors she was taking “online” classes to be a nurse….
one day, talking to an old sub of mine, who’s now a carrier in another office, she told me what she’s heard (the sub that’s “off” for personal reasons) possibly got caught either “drunk “ while working (I’d smelled alcohol on her numerous times), or potential “mail theft”. (Said “off” sub, does have many money issues)
One day, I confronted my pm about her. I said “I know you can’t disclose info, but how you reply will answer my question. I asked “why is she still on the books, leaving this route without a sub? We NEED a sub on this route 6 MONTHS AGO, (I told pm what I’ve heard (minus the drunk / mail theft part))
My pm looked at me, dropped his chin to his chest and said “I’m ordered to say “I can not comment one way or another on this issue” I’m sorry”. I said “thank you. You answered my question. And I know absolutely nothing.” (I’m sure my pm potentially put himself in a situation by answering the way he did. But I know NOTHING)……
Talking to my old sub that day, she commented on how it took over a year to get a “CRAZY” regular carrier FINALLY removed from the po ranks in an entirely different office (in our area), for her “CRAZY ATTITUDE” things she did. (I’d heard things on this crazy carrier, and let me say, ”she was a flipping WACK job, (how she was initially hired, is way above my understandings of hiring processes, she’s a flipping WACK JOB. 100%)……
Anyways, wack jobs over a year for removal, my offices sub being off since spring time, leaving my neighbor carrier not having her saturdays off, nor me having my mondays off (said sub covered us both, while awaiting hire of my sub) since spring time this year, tells me “there’s just a bit more going on, than what the op is telling (because they can’t possibly know the “entire story” (I believe, there’s more involved)…….
And as Walter Cronkite ended his segments “and now you know “the rest of the story”……. (Crap, did I date myself or what)

I believe, there’s more to be told, that cant be divulveged in this post.
 
Defiant said:
If the NRLCA was doing their job there would at least be an Area Steward to fix this. Dude was probably not paying dues so the NRLCA hung the office out to dry. Typical. Common sense would be to protect everybody because when you don't, dues paying members get shafted too. All they see is money. So sick of this shit to be honest.
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I agree with this..but...I think there are so many damn grievences happening that a lot falls through the cracks. Management is overwhelming our(and others) union.
 
csparks said:
Yeah, my knee jerk reaction was a little lacking, considering the situation most offices are in with staffing. I doubt that bending a little for this RCA would have amounted to being "run over" or manipulated. When times are tough, the boss has bend.
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Not my so-called bosses....they love nothing better than to fire people.....😡😡😡🤠 they are IGNORAMUSES...

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Defiant said:
If the NRLCA was doing their job there would at least be an Area Steward to fix this. Dude was probably not paying dues so the NRLCA hung the office out to dry. Typical. Common sense would be to protect everybody because when you don't, dues paying members get shafted too. All they see is money. So sick of this shit to be honest.
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If nobody files on a route not being posted, how is the Union to know what is wrong in an office? Even with a Local Steward in the office, some violations can get past them. This would not if there was a Local in-house, though. Maybe someone needs to “step up“ & be the voice for the carriers in that office. JMHO
 
K said:
I agree with this..but...I think there are so many damn grievences happening that a lot falls through the cracks. Management is overwhelming our(and others) union.
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Agreed! But I also think, every union within the usps is folding to the usps / (choose the union) contractual agreements. Usps says “jump” all unions ask “how high massa”? And unions fold to usps demands. And it’s a shame, our (any) union, just says “it’s not a grievance, just drop it”. Grievances are falling thru the cracks, because our unions are allowing it! Carriers aren’t filing just for chits and giggles. They’re filing for legitimate reasons, but our unions are folding to usps reasonings (that werent contractionally agreed upon) and when our unions say “it’s not grievance”, that’s the end of it! Usps wins its contractual violations, and us “nobody’s” have no recourse! We’re here to work, make a dollar, and hopefully survive! Our employer says “here’s your fair days pay, for doing twice what you should be paid for. You did your fair days work”. Our unions say “the po violated nothing, stop crying, yall been paid more than your worth for years. Stop crying”

And unions wonder why union peeps want out of union. Then unions threaten union paying members “we won’t take lightly threats to the union”……

but, I believe, our union sees our threats! (Altho be it, nothing this time around) and our union is looking to change. But it’s not gonna happen with these BOZO leaders we now have! Our union as of now, don’t have the ballz to stand up to the po. But I believe, enough of us have had enough, our contract is about to expire. One of 2 things will happen.
#1, po cry’s “we lost 6 billion dollars over last years 14 billion gain, we can’t offer up money this contract. Granted ups makes $49 an hour, top tier driver (which takes 4 years to achieve, compared to 12-15 years top tier in usps, still not making the same money, for MORE work done), but we’ll offer you our usual 1.3% per year wage increase”
#2 our union says “no thanks, we’ll take this to arbitration“, then when actual vote comes to play, the FEW that do take the time to vote, waste the 66 cents on a stamp, are so forking afraid of past arbitrations that they fold into voting “yes” and give the po even more ammo to later fire upon us!…..
approximately 20% members vote! Leaving the usps / nrlca with an 80% non voters saying “YES”…. The 20% that do vote, our votes really mean nothing! Those scared say yes. Those few of us willing to take the chance, end up loosing, long before arbitration occurs! And THIS, is what the nrlca / usps, DEPENDS ON!
 
Shannonboy said:
Not my so-called bosses....they love nothing better than to fire people.....😡😡😡🤠 they are IGNORAMUSES...

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I believe, it’s all in dejoys plan. Eliminate countless dollars of waste. Kill those of us that can’t leave (YET), or get rid of those we can. Those of us that can’t leave “YET” put up with the bs. Those we can get rid of of, just pushes those of us who can’t leave yet, possibly leave before we can (vested in usps benifits)…..
why pay 2, or 3 people to do do the same job, that 1 can do. That 1s wages even in overtime is cheaper than 2 or 3 in straight time. Cut the unnecessary costs, kill the one we want gone, bring in a new step 1 table 2, it’s a win win in dejoys eyes, in building for America!
We can’t keep up at this rate! Those of us that “care” are beaten down to the point “things look better at McDonald’s “. It’s all in dejoys plan!
 
Rcflyn said:
Wtf. Fire what few we have? Sure makes sence!
(I’m thinking there’s just a bit more than tho op knows about)

we've got a sub, that we was originally told “needed undetermined time off” for personal reasons. (This was early/mid spring)….. well, here we are in mid December, and she’s still “off”….. I’ve heard rumors, she was out for death in family. I’ve heard she’s off for family medical issues. (I’ve texted her, but she never responds to my texts)….. and I’ve heard rumors she was taking “online” classes to be a nurse….
one day, talking to an old sub of mine, who’s now a carrier in another office, she told me what she’s heard (the sub that’s “off” for personal reasons) possibly got caught either “drunk “ while working (I’d smelled alcohol on her numerous times), or potential “mail theft”. (Said “off” sub, does have many money issues)
One day, I confronted my pm about her. I said “I know you can’t disclose info, but how you reply will answer my question. I asked “why is she still on the books, leaving this route without a sub? We NEED a sub on this route 6 MONTHS AGO, (I told pm what I’ve heard (minus the drunk / mail theft part))
My pm looked at me, dropped his chin to his chest and said “I’m ordered to say “I can not comment one way or another on this issue” I’m sorry”. I said “thank you. You answered my question. And I know absolutely nothing.” (I’m sure my pm potentially put himself in a situation by answering the way he did. But I know NOTHING)……
Talking to my old sub that day, she commented on how it took over a year to get a “CRAZY” regular carrier FINALLY removed from the po ranks in an entirely different office (in our area), for her “CRAZY ATTITUDE” things she did. (I’d heard things on this crazy carrier, and let me say, ”she was a flipping WACK job, (how she was initially hired, is way above my understandings of hiring processes, she’s a flipping WACK JOB. 100%)……
Anyways, wack jobs over a year for removal, my offices sub being off since spring time, leaving my neighbor carrier not having her saturdays off, nor me having my mondays off (said sub covered us both, while awaiting hire of my sub) since spring time this year, tells me “there’s just a bit more going on, than what the op is telling (because they can’t possibly know the “entire story” (I believe, there’s more involved)…….
And as Walter Cronkite ended his segments “and now you know “the rest of the story”……. (Crap, did I date myself or what)

I believe, there’s more to be told, that cant be divulveged in this post.
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Wasn't that Paul Harvey..."now for the rest of the story"

Or do I have dementia this evening....
 
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