Last year the extension of annual leave carryover was announced on May 9, 2023, we have yet to hear anything this year. Are we to anticipate it going back to 55 days since no announcement has been made yet? Every year it has been extended it was announced at the beginning of May. Any insight?
Maximum carryover
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The most thorough answer was found in the June 2023 edition of The Postal Record (city craft). While both the MOU'S for the city and rural craft did lay out the expiration dates for the end of this year and the warning of no ELM changes relating to payment of accumulated leave, it was the city craft who had a thorough heads-up that the max carryover will return to 55 days in 2025:
"As the carryover maximum will return to 440 hours from leave year 2024 to leave year 2025, care should be taken to ensure that no employees are required to forfeit any part of their annual leave."
"As the carryover maximum will return to 440 hours from leave year 2024 to leave year 2025, care should be taken to ensure that no employees are required to forfeit any part of their annual leave."
TheMailman302
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I thought ours was 520 hours or 65 days. Ill research when I get to the office and have to wait two hours for the clerks to sort and talk about stuff that makes me want to punch myself in the face.
TheMailman302
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In your Personal Statement of Benefits it says 520 hours. Here's the thread Annual Leave Carryover?
The first wave of MOU's for maximum carryover of annual leave from leave year 2024 to leave year 2025 (520 hours) has recently been released to the various bargaining craft units. As of today, the Mailhandlers union, APWU units, Shared Services workers, and Postal Nurses have been notified. Still on the lookout for the rural and city crafts MOU's this week.
Voglio-il mio
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Notice this was dated 5/8/23, I think its too early for the 2025 leave year to be determined.
NRLCA and USPS Sign MOU Concerning Annual Leave Carryover for Leave Year 2024 | Ruralinfo.net
The NRLCA and USPS have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) agreeing that for leave year 2024, regular work force career employees covered by the USP ...
www.ruralinfo.net
Notice this was dated 5/8/23, I think its too early for the 2025 leave year to be determined.
NRLCA and USPS Sign MOU Concerning Annual Leave Carryover for Leave Year 2024 | Ruralinfo.net
The NRLCA and USPS have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) agreeing that for leave year 2024, regular work force career employees covered by the USP ...
Industrial Relations Director Charlie Cash Announces 2025 Annual Leave Exchange and Carryover MOUs | American Postal Workers Union
Industrial Relations Director Charlie Cash Announces 2025 Annual Leave Exchange and Carryover MOUs
apwu.org
New Annual Leave Carryover for Leave Year 2024 and Annual Leave Exchange Option for Leave Year 2025
New Memoranda of Understanding
m.npmhu.org
The other bargaining craft units say otherwise. Typo in Mailhandlers Union headline from the site itself. The MOU's attached reflect leave year 2025 (article release date June 12, 2024).
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Voglio-il mio
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Doesn't surprise me at all that our representation is pulling up the rear!Industrial Relations Director Charlie Cash Announces 2025 Annual Leave Exchange and Carryover MOUs | American Postal Workers Union
Industrial Relations Director Charlie Cash Announces 2025 Annual Leave Exchange and Carryover MOUs
New Annual Leave Carryover for Leave Year 2024 and Annual Leave Exchange Option for Leave Year 2025
New Memoranda of Understandingm.npmhu.org
The other bargaining craft units say otherwise. Typo in Mailhandlers Union headline from the site itself. The MOU's attached reflect leave year 2025 (article release date June 12, 2024).
DB.Cooper
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I did a retirement counseling.... they tell peeps there that they can cash out 520 hours.... aka 65 days in rural speak...
DB.Cooper
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Are you absolutely sure because HR be telling people they can only cash out 55 even when it’s increased to 65 maximum carryover. Wouldn’t it just be nice if the right hand knew what the left hand was doing? For such a big company to be in such disarray is astoundingI did a retirement counseling.... they tell peeps there that they can cash out 520 hours.... aka 65 days in rural speak...
DB.Cooper
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Yes, they were saying we can cash out 520.... there have been others on here who also said they did cash out 65 days.... so, whatever you're comfortable with.... I've heard some say they're going down to 55 just to be safe... but they are saying you can cash out 65 (520 hours) at the retirement telecons....
I cashed our 65 when I left last year. I would say that it is whatever the "current rule" is.Yes, they were saying we can cash out 520.... there have been others on here who also said they did cash out 65 days.... so, whatever you're comfortable with.... I've heard some say they're going down to 55 just to be safe... but they are saying you can cash out 65 (520 hours) at the retirement telecons....
stillfirstclass
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i had 55 days or a little less, so cannot say... butt, with two tt's, the estimate for my ss supp. was $300 shortI did a retirement counseling.... they tell peeps there that they can cash out 520 hours.... aka 65 days in rural speak...
and my annuity was $122 short , so everything they say is not guaranteed....
DB.Cooper
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There are different approaches regarding the leave cash out.... I used a lot of mine to work a cushy 6-month schedule.... banked an additional $30K in TSP during that time, as well.... so, it varies from one person to the next....i had 55 days or a little less, so cannot say... butt, with two tt's, the estimate for my ss supp. was $300 short
Voglio-il mio
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I read it somewhere and I don't remember where that the rule is that you can cash in whatever you carry over, Plus what is accumulate up to your retirement date. So with the current carry over being 65 days and if you retire in June you could accumulate another 10 days so 75 days could be cashed in. I wish I could remember where I read that.Yes, they were saying we can cash out 520.... there have been others on here who also said they did cash out 65 days.... so, whatever you're comfortable with.... I've heard some say they're going down to 55 just to be safe... but they are saying you can cash out 65 (520 hours) at the retirement telecons....
DB.Cooper
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I think that is how it is for Feds in general.... however, I didn't get the impression that it is that way for USPS'ers, at least at the retirement telecon.... seemed like they were saying you only got to cash out 520 hours... I guess you could try for more, but you might just end up forfeiting some.... you can specifically ask about it during the retirement counseling, but whether you can count on the right answer or not is anybody's guess...
Voglio-il mio
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I found where I read that .......But the problem is I was hearing what I wanted to hear instead of what was written.......Here's the Answer, what I was explaining was what Non-bargaining Employees can do.I think that is how it is for Feds in general.... however, I didn't get the impression that it is that way for USPS'ers, at least at the retirement telecon.... seemed like they were saying you only got to cash out 520 hours... I guess you could try for more, but you might just end up forfeiting some.... you can specifically ask about it during the retirement counseling, but whether you can count on the right answer or not is anybody's guess...
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512.732 Entitlement Amounts
Separating employees may receive lump-sum terminal leave payments as follows:
a. Non-bargaining Unit Employees. Non-bargaining unit employees may receive a lump-sum leave payment for the following:
(1) Accumulated annual leave carried over from the previous year;
(2) Accrued annual leave for the year in which they separate, including amounts over the carryover maximum;
(3) Any unused donated leave;
and
(4) For full-time and part-time regular employees, holidays that fall within the terminal leave period.
b. Bargaining Unit Employee.
Bargaining unit employees may receive a lump-sum leave payment:
(1) If separating other than under the Voluntary Early Retirement Authority (VERA), for the following:
(a) Accumulated annual leave carried over from the previous year;
(b) Accrued annual leave for the year in which they separate, up to the carryover maximum for their bargaining unit (see512.32);
(c) Any unused donated leave;
and
(d) For full-time and part-time regular employees, holidays that fall within the terminal leave period. Any part of the unused annual leave earned during the leave year of separation that exceeds the maximum carryover amount is granted before separation rather than paid out in the form of a lump-sum payment. No payment is made for unused leave that the employee would have been required to forfeit at the end of the leave year.
(2) If separating under VERA, for the following:
(a) Accumulated annual leave carried over from the previous year;
(b) Accrued annual leave for the year in which they separate,including amounts over the carryover maximum for their bargaining unit;
(c) Any unused donated leave; and(d) For full-time
and
(d part-time regular employees, holidays that fall within the terminal leave period..
Note: Transitional employees receive payment for accrued annual leave at the end of their appointment.
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Voglio-il mio
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FYI,...........NRLCA just put this out today 6/26/2024:
NRLCA and USPS Sign MOU Concerning Annual Leave Carryover for Leave Year 2025
The NRLCA and USPS have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) agreeing that for leave year 2025, regular work force career employees covered by the USPS-NRLCA Agreement may carry over 520 hours of accumulated annual leave from leave year 2024 to leave year 2025.
In all other respects, the ELM provisions for payment of accumulated leave are not changed because of this Memorandum.
This MOU will expire with the conclusion of the 2025 leave year.
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