No more UPS dropoff

U caught my attention said:

One thing that burns me. When they place the packages in stupid areas AND the pkg aso has our barcode on it. I still don't touch or move their delivered packages. Directly in front of garage door so they might run it over, out in the rain instead of on the covered porch, directly where they step when coming out the door.
It wasn't me....let them call and complain and then find out it was the other company.

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I did sometimes move stuff out of the way of a garage door blind spot and such like that, just as a courtesy to the customer.. but you're right, in most cases it's probably best to not mess with anything you didn't bring on to the property... there's cameras everywhere nowadays, seen and unseen... being careful and acting as tho someone is always watching is a good idea... and it will only continue to get worse in this surveillance state we now live in...

I've seen carriers accused of stealing stuff when it was complete BS... but that carrier got raked over the coals just because of some whacko irate customer making the allegation... maybe that's why I was always reluctant to ever mess with anything like that... I've also seen peeps fired for mail theft as well... it was usually a pretty fast process... if you wanna fool with it, go ahead... if it blows up on you, don't say I didn't try to warn you...

Oh, and I guess peeps here doing this think they will have their local PMs standing rock solid behind them when they get accused of theft... lol... they'll throw you under the bus without hesitation...

DB.Cooper said:

I hope that doesn't end up getting you fired... if you do it to the wrong customer, and they raise 14 kinds of hail after seeing you swiping their package on their ring camera... you may be in for a rude awakening...

Personally, I never wanted to get accused of theft while delivering the mail... my advice is, when you play with fire, sometimes you may get burned, grasshopper....

There are some stewards and former stewards on here, maybe you should ask if they think it's a great idea to be swiping UPS parcels from mailboxes...

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My thoughts. I hate them using it but if not in my way it doesn't bother me. Just let management know to contact right people is what I do.

As you said all it does is cause more issues than just leaving it.

For those who are interested in citeable information, and performing the actual duties of your position.

DMM 508.3.1.3 Use for Mail

Except under 3.2.11, the receptacles described in 3.1.1 may be used only for matter bearing postage. Other than as permitted by 3.2.10, or 3.2.11, no part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as would be paid if it were carried by mail.

PO-603 352.4 Mailable Matter Not Bearing Postage

When you find mailable matter in a box without postage paid assessed to, or intended for, the person in whose box it is deposited, take the matter to the Post Office for treatment in accordance with DMM 146.22. If general distribution of the same bill, circular, or other matter was made on the route, return two samples to your postmaster or supervisor with a statement of the number of similar pieces without postage you observed in boxes on the route.

18USC §1725

Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits any mailable matter such as statements of accounts, circulars, sale bills, or other like matter, on which no postage has been paid, in any letter box established, approved, or accepted by the Postal Service for the receipt or delivery of mail matter on any mail route with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage thereon, shall for each such offense be fined under this title.

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Are you leaving any sort of accountability or receipt for the parcels you're stealing from the box???? I hope you have something to document your actions if that parcel disappears after you were recorded on a camera taking it... I'd raise holy hail if someone did it on my mailbox.. and I'd be online filing complaints of theft, not calling some local yocal... if you wanna play with that, go ahead... make my day, punk.. lol..

Typically a PS Form 3849 as a courtesy.

And it's not stealing. It's following stated postal policy and federal law.

But sure, make vague threats on the interwebs when you're objectively wrong. Abject terror. I'm shaking. OoOOoOoOoo.

NorthernPines said:

For those who are interested in citeable information, and performing the actual duties of your position.

DMM 508.3.1.3 Use for Mail

Except under 3.2.11, the receptacles described in 3.1.1 may be used only for matter bearing postage. Other than as permitted by 3.2.10, or 3.2.11, no part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as would be paid if it were carried by mail.

PO-603 352.4 Mailable Matter Not Bearing Postage

When you find mailable matter in a box without postage paid assessed to, or intended for, the person in whose box it is deposited, take the matter to the Post Office for treatment in accordance with DMM 146.22. If general distribution of the same bill, circular, or other matter was made on the route, return two samples to your postmaster or supervisor with a statement of the number of similar pieces without postage you observed in boxes on the route.

18USC §1725

Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits any mailable matter such as statements of accounts, circulars, sale bills, or other like matter, on which no postage has been paid, in any letter box established, approved, or accepted by the Postal Service for the receipt or delivery of mail matter on any mail route with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage thereon, shall for each such offense be fined under this title.

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But in my office we do............................

I think its a matter of customer relations.

It's really a jerk move to make people pay postage on an already successful delivery. When the ups or fedex guy puts a package in the mailbox, the customer has zero control over this action. It's like we are keeping the package hostage to prove a point to the wrong person. Management at PO needs to talk to management at whatever company and correct the service issue. if we take the package out and get it back into the service stream of the other company, we will still look bad. We shouldnt put ourselves in a situation where we tick off our customer and look bad to them.
My husband can be a complete a@@hole. He would absolutely go ballistic if a delivery (partner/competitor) company delivered an item and usps took said package. He said that is the mailcarrier stealing from him. He would 100% file theft changes on the carrier.
He asked me if the DMM allows a mailcarrier to steal his personal property?

U caught my attention said:

I think its a matter of customer relations.

It's really a jerk move to make people pay postage on an already successful delivery. When the ups or fedex guy puts a package in the mailbox, the customer has zero control over this action. It's like we are keeping the package hostage to prove a point to the wrong person. Management at PO needs to talk to management at whatever company and correct the service issue. if we take the package out and get it back into the service stream of the other company, we will still look bad. We shouldnt put ourselves in a situation where we tick off our customer and look bad to them.
My husband can be a complete a@@hole. He would absolutely go ballistic if a delivery (partner/competitor) company delivered an item and usps took said package. He said that is the mailcarrier stealing from him. He would 100% file theft changes on the carrier.
He asked me if the DMM allows a mailcarrier to steal his personal property?

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Many... dare I say most.... peeps feel exactly the same, regardless of peeps on here trying to convince us peeps are thanking them... to me, that's just another indication of them being delusional....

I'd be reporting it as a theft to anybody I could.. Amazon, the police, online at USPS.Com, etc., etc...

It might be different if USPS were at all efficient with parcel deliveries to begin with... I can't count the number of times they delayed stuff I ordered by sending it all the hail over they place all over the country.. then they wanna snatch the stuff other carriers got to me in a couple of days and delay that as well... js... they don't have the moral high ground to begin with....

My husband just said he would prefer to have the mail carrier place a note on the item that states USPS did not deliver this item.
The note would explain the potential consequences of receiving ups and fedex pkgs through the mailbox.
He would happily call and complain to UPS or fedex and tell them to not use the mailbox.
Just successflly refocused his ballistic anger toward the correct company.

U caught my attention said:

I think its a matter of customer relations.

It's really a jerk move to make people pay postage on an already successful delivery. When the ups or fedex guy puts a package in the mailbox, the customer has zero control over this action. It's like we are keeping the package hostage to prove a point to the wrong person. Management at PO needs to talk to management at whatever company and correct the service issue. if we take the package out and get it back into the service stream of the other company, we will still look bad. We shouldnt put ourselves in a situation where we tick off our customer and look bad to them.
My husband can be a complete a@@hole. He would absolutely go ballistic if a delivery (partner/competitor) company delivered an item and usps took said package. He said that is the mailcarrier stealing from him. He would 100% file theft changes on the carrier.
He asked me if the DMM allows a mailcarrier to steal his personal property?

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I said it before, and I'll say it again.... peeps doing this don't give a damn about customer service... if they wanna funk with UPS or FedEx, take a picture of the parcel in the box and send that picture to the local PM for them to contact UPS or FedEx... taking the package is just dorking the customer, which as I said, the peeps doing this don't care about... karma is a b!+ch, they'll get theirs...

U caught my attention said:

My husband just said he would prefer to have the mail carrier place a note on the item that states USPS did not deliver this item.
The note would explain the potential consequences of receiving ups and fedex pkgs through the mailbox.
He would happily call and complain to UPS or fedex and tell them to not use the mailbox.
Just successflly refocused his ballistic anger toward the correct company.

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Maybe it's slowed some now, but UPS stopped at the PO almost daily when I was there.. if it's an issue, the PO should be reading the riot act to the UPS peeps.. if they're not stopping at the PO, then pick up the phone and yell at them... if it's really such a big crime, then send out the police or postal inspectors to arrest the offenders.. but, wth... stealing the customers parcel does none of that...

ATCBigE said:

My thoughts. I hate them using it but if not in my way it doesn't bother me. Just let management know to contact right people is what I do.

As you said all it does is cause more issues than just leaving it.

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There were a few times where it perturbed me when I couldn't fit stuff in the box, but wth... in the age of RRECS, going to the door is your friend, so maybe you should thank them...

DB.Cooper said:

Some might consider that the mail carrier is committing theft by taking parcels that have already been delivered to an address... js... I've seen some customers complain about smaller things... I find it hard to believe they're all going to be thrilled that the valentine's day present they ordered to get just in time for the holiday now has been swiped by their mailman and now they aren't going to get it back until well after the holiday... or the same for birthday presents, or Christmas presents, or that repair part they were waiting on to fix their car or whatever, etc., etc.... but you peeps are trying to convince me they're all thanking you for doing this... doh... lol... color me skeptical..

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On occasion some customers question me about it and after I explain the reasoning they understand!

We have a lot of mail theft on my route! Further, the package is being held at the PO waiting on them!

If the PM wants to charge them or not, then that’s his decision!

Unless, I’m told to stop doing it, then I will continue!

nlsal209 said:

On occasion some customers question me about it and after I explain the reasoning they understand!

We have a lot of mail theft on my route! Further, the package is being held at the PO waiting on them!

If the PM wants to charge them or not, then that’s his decision!

Unless, I’m told to stop doing it, then I will continue!

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I wouldn't pay the USPS for something I had already paid for to be delivered to my address.. they'd have to give it to me or return to sender.. I'd like to see them try to send it back to Amazon as postage due... my guess is they wouldn't have the nerve... I'd report it as being stolen after being delivered to my address... and I'd tell them I knew who the thief was, and include the phone number where they could call the den of thieves...

Btw, the PO I was at was too chicken to ever refuse the Amazon parcels that were too large or heavy to be in the mail... pretty sure they'd be too chicken to send anything back postage due...

nlsal209 said:

On occasion some customers question me about it and after I explain the reasoning they understand!

We have a lot of mail theft on my route! Further, the package is being held at the PO waiting on them!

If the PM wants to charge them or not, then that’s his decision!

Unless, I’m told to stop doing it, then I will continue!

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Again, if it's such a big crime... why not arrest the peeps who are breaking that law... instead of punishing the customer who had no roll in the crime... and peeps wonder why the USPS is failing... here's your sign....

nlsal209 said:

On occasion some customers question me about it and after I explain the reasoning they understand!

We have a lot of mail theft on my route! Further, the package is being held at the PO waiting on them!

If the PM wants to charge them or not, then that’s his decision!

Unless, I’m told to stop doing it, then I will continue!

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Why don't you just make UPS or FedEx pay the postage due then redeliver it???? Are you getting package pickup credit for stealing these parcels, or postage due scans????

DB.Cooper said:

Why don't you just make UPS or FedEx pay the postage due then redeliver it????

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Problem is...what if it is an expensive insured item or something. Aren't we liable in someway if item gets damaged while in our possession? Plus we dont accept certain things in the mail and other delivery companys do. Isnt there a hazard/safety issue related to this?
We all know it is meant for the customer and not meant for us to pick up. I say leave it be and notify management to inform company to stop using our boxes. Yes, make the company pay postage to lease the space they squatted in, not the customer.