have pm from another office in control of my office while pm is off for medical leave. Somehow theres a gap where there hasnt been an oic appointed yet.(?) Anyway, all three carriers missed one spm scan yesterday. So got a note saying we need to wait for a count of 15 before we leave a mailbox that has an spm scan. My problem with all of this is that the spm ahead alert goes off WHILE IM DRIVING. I cant drive and see the address for the spm. Then the alert disappears, and doesnt appear again, UNTIL IM DRIVING AWAY FROM THE MAILBOX. So..do i have to wait 15 seconds at each mailbox until I find the one with the spm? I really dont understand how the po can do such a poor job, and expect me to do a good job. btw...what is it with postmasters? this one is to be in charge of the office for 2 weeks, and has already inspected everything and told us how everything should be, even though all the carriers are back before eval, everything has to change so we can be faster...and i gave up fast a long time ago, as i get punished for being fast.
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Missed a scan
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You are correct, do not read the scanner while driving. Ask the pm if you are to read the scanner to see what the next alert is for, while driving.
All you have to do, is beat your evaluation, not on a daily basis, but an average basis.
All you have to do, is beat your evaluation, not on a daily basis, but an average basis.
Shannonboy
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If you have put the mail in the box, and are pulling away, and spm goes off.....its too late. I'm fast, and some almost never catch me. Guess what??? I select passed address. You get Disciplined, GRIEVE IT. DO NOT TAKE MAIL OUT OF BOX AND SCAN IT, DO NOT BACK UP TO BOX. DO NOT COUNT TO 15.....BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE COUNTING DOWN TO YOUR DEATH, WHEN SOMEONE REAR ENDS YOU, AND YOU WERE TOO DISTRACTED TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH NUMBER COMES NEXT. DO NOT DO IT...
Shannonboy
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Pween
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I use spms as a way to get back at my new PM when he's pissing me off or making unnecessary changes to the office, or any number of things he does that everyone hates. getting the office on as many bad boy lists as you can gives them a lot of flak and extra talks with their bosses. Plus if you're savvy enough you can always do things in a way to leave yourself just enough plausible deniability that it was unintentional or something odd happened.
If you could get in actual trouble for things like ignoring spms, integrity scans, or just skipping a package scan or two every hour I'd be gone by now. Or things like hiding random empty stacks of dps trays in random locations when your pm is a housekeeping FREAK.
Point being, don't worry about it. Do what makes sense and eff the man.
If you could get in actual trouble for things like ignoring spms, integrity scans, or just skipping a package scan or two every hour I'd be gone by now. Or things like hiding random empty stacks of dps trays in random locations when your pm is a housekeeping FREAK.
Point being, don't worry about it. Do what makes sense and eff the man.
Voglio-il mio
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"I select passed address."If you have put the mail in the box, and are pulling away, and spm goes off.....its too late. I'm fast, and some almost never catch me. Guess what??? I select passed address. You get Disciplined, GRIEVE IT. DO NOT TAKE MAIL OUT OF BOX AND SCAN IT, DO NOT BACK UP TO BOX. DO NOT COUNT TO 15.....BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE COUNTING DOWN TO YOUR DEATH, WHEN SOMEONE REAR ENDS YOU, AND YOU WERE TOO DISTRACTED TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH NUMBER COMES NEXT. DO NOT DO IT...
Shannonboy
If that option is on the screen ask the the Postmaster why its on the screen if it cant be used!
Shannonboy
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Favorite comment of the evening right here....its just common sense.....really how dumb can po mgmt be!!!??????
Nice comment Vog..
I hear from several offices I'm in contact with that SPM's are one of the "hot buttons" top management is pushing down, which as we all know ends up being pushed on US.
District views the ping when the scanner request goes off and the ping where the scanner is punched "already passed." They're comparing the two pings to the actual address in question to see if it was a valid entry or if the carrier was just punching in something to get rid of the request. District claims nearly all pings for requests are prior to the address in question, and that the "already passed" was punched well past the address, lending them to the conclusion that the carrier didn't acknowledge the ping request AND didn't bother to scan at the box, instead some time afterward scanned "already passed."
District claims most of the pings do not support the carrier's actions.
Our PM has said District is using the ping information to demand discipline as the carrier did not follow instructions. PM indicated they are examining every single SPM in his office. He has asked carriers to call him if the have either already passed or no mail to scan. He will note the information and use it to defend the carriers actions as correct and within policy when District questions it. PM is not happy District is calling his carriers liars.
District views the ping when the scanner request goes off and the ping where the scanner is punched "already passed." They're comparing the two pings to the actual address in question to see if it was a valid entry or if the carrier was just punching in something to get rid of the request. District claims nearly all pings for requests are prior to the address in question, and that the "already passed" was punched well past the address, lending them to the conclusion that the carrier didn't acknowledge the ping request AND didn't bother to scan at the box, instead some time afterward scanned "already passed."
District claims most of the pings do not support the carrier's actions.
Our PM has said District is using the ping information to demand discipline as the carrier did not follow instructions. PM indicated they are examining every single SPM in his office. He has asked carriers to call him if the have either already passed or no mail to scan. He will note the information and use it to defend the carriers actions as correct and within policy when District questions it. PM is not happy District is calling his carriers liars.
I'm wondering if what the Districts are alleging is based upon that issue being discussed in another thread where upon the acceleration is instantaneous but the "stop" or bullseye on the status bar takes up to and probably even more than 30 seconds to register a stop. So, what District is "seeing" is not accurate at all.
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Missed a scan
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That last sentence is so true.
Probably why our TCP's disappear because we don't stop at a stop sign for thirty seconds.....
Chemado
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We were told that the question "is this address on your route" really means "do you have mail for this address". So if we don't have mail for an spm scan at that particular address, then select no, that this address is not on your route. I'm wondering if that will remove that address from future spm scans.
Also, if we select already passed address, then pm goes to that address to do a geo location verification (not sure what is called). Basically to make sure the spm pops up at the right place.
At this point I'm just confused on what to do because people keep changing the rules and definitions.
Also, if we select already passed address, then pm goes to that address to do a geo location verification (not sure what is called). Basically to make sure the spm pops up at the right place.
At this point I'm just confused on what to do because people keep changing the rules and definitions.
Anyone get the feeling these things are designed to try to get us fired instead of collecting info? If I get one with no mail that day, then I have to take a pic with my phone OF THE NEXT HOUSES MAIL and text it to my PM. Tell me, someone, what that actually proves? And this was ok'd by a union rep.
EthelAnne
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This is nuts and I would definitely notify your NRLCA District Representative or Nicky Phillips (the NRLCA Director of Steward Operations). If you don't know who that is, you can find out here: National Rural Letter Carrier's Association
I know SPM are in. I was questioned the dummy in management saying you had to count to 15 at the box. That isn't in any RRECS guide.
RammerJammer
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Are they paying your phone bill? I could see in their twisted mind they think if you’re still in possession of the next box’s mail, that proves you were still at the prompted box to check. Actually it proves nothing. What if the next box and the next box and 10 more after that had no mail…
