load truck feature on RRECS

mr postman · May 4, 2023

i was wondering if im missing out on some serious RRECS time by not using my load truck feature and scanning my packages
i know my route well enough and just write the first 3 or 4 letters of the street name fallowed by the address number on each package put them in order in my car and deliver
them keeping an eye on my next package to be delivered, I know some carriers scan every package using load truck. do some carriers take the packages out to the car and use the load truck feature and scan them as there loading them getting credit for the extra load time ?

also wondering how others do this....

we only have 2 full time carriers in my office and not a lot of others to bounce this off of in my office and i didnt know and maybe others dont know
and i dont want to ask my post master and find out what he doesnt know, lol

Augsburg · May 4, 2023

The only thing you're gaining is time, while you're under 'startlosdveh' . We do not get paid for random scans any more, not even the return receipts on certified letters. You may do a vehicle inspection while loaf(d)ing, and you may even clean the vehicle a bit. Remember the load event starts when you pick up your mail from the floor (once it has been cased and pulled) and into the buggy/float.

Waltenwalt · May 4, 2023

The load truck feature by itself does not affect your evaluation. If you choose to use it and do it during STARTLOADVEH, you will gain time because it will take you longer to load, and that is actual time credited.

mr postman · May 4, 2023

thank you !!!
just the info i was looking for, kinda what i thought but wasnt sure

caffeinosis · May 4, 2023

our postmaster announced on the floor that every package that gets scanned with Load Truck during load vehicle time gives you one minute. Let me be absolutely clear that this is completely wrong as far as I can tell (if it WERE true, everyone would instantly be 48K+ the next time RRECS updates evaluations).

She heard it from another postmaster while she was away on a training assignment, and presented it to us as established fact. That's the level of training and communication and transparency around RRECs at the management level.

SilverHair · May 5, 2023

caffeinosis said:
That's the level of training and communication and transparency around RRECs at the management level.

And our union is saying it was management’s responsibility to train us!

w2e2w2e · May 5, 2023

So do we even get a scan credit of 5 or 8 or 13 econds for each scan?
Or just plain zilch except for extra tim on startloadveh ?

What if we use the loadtruck function without being on load time??

See how one question just brings up 2 more??

SilverHair · May 5, 2023

w2e2w2e said:
So do we even get a scan credit of 5 or 8 or 13 econds for each scan?
Or just plain zilch except for extra tim on startloadveh ?

What if we use the loadtruck function without being on load time??

See how one question just brings up 2 more??

No scan credits as we used to know them. We used to get 18 seconds for scanning parcels. Now we get zilch.

If you do Load Truck and you aren’t in StartLoadVehicle of Rural carrier scans (R and then 6), you get nothing. If you do R, then StartLoadVeh, and then do Load Truck, you get the actual extra time to do the scans as part of your load time. That’s all you get extra.

Last I heard, which was a while ago, the Union was trying to negotiate a time credit for Load Truck scans, but don’t know where that stands.

We do get other scan credits for RRECS Scans, but they are way less than the old scan credit. You can see your time credit for them on p. 3 of 4241M about 1/3 way down under Activity Scans. “Perform simple one-step scans” gives 0.0795 mins or 4.770 seconds each and “Perform prompted two-step scans” gives 0.0928 minutes each or 5.568 seconds.

I’m not sure which scans are considered 2 step scans. For instance, if you have a Carrier Pickup out on the route, the scanner is usually in Scanning mode, so you have to:

1. Press Escape to get back to Main menu
2. Press R to get in the Rural menu
3. Press O for Carrier Pickup
4. Press 1 or 2 as to whether you have a Carrier Pickup request sheet
5. If you have the sheet, you have to scan its barcode
6. Enter the number of parcels
7. Press Enter
8. Then scan up to 5 parcels
9. Press Enter
10. Then you are back to main menu and have to press Enter to get scanner back into scan mode.

I don’t what “new math” the engineers used to come up 10+ steps being a 2-step scan (maybe they considered 10 as a binary number?).

Morty · May 5, 2023

We don't actually know what it gives. All I know is that me and the gang at my office have been using it since it came out. If I'm touching a parcel, I'm on load truck and load vehicle. I take my spurs out too, they get scanned and trayed. Our load time is massive.

In my office, we did alot of unnatural things. Every time we get questioned we snap back, been doing that for over 2 years! You'll get questioned about load time when it jumps from 5 minutes to 30 minutes. Whereas my load time has been 30 minutes for years!

But I'm not cheating the system. Both parties agreed to it as a legit practice. If you boosted your load time 20 minutes a day, that's 2 hours. 2 hours you aren't getting paid for to sort packages in office.

magnolia72 · May 5, 2023

Years ago when the Load Truck feature came out, I was told that the scanner would alert you that you had a package for an upcoming address. Is this true? I have never used Load Truck since I was under the impression that it was mainly for LLV's and since the SPM scans weren't hitting until after I'd either passed the box or was sitting across the street from said box, I didn't think that would be more stressful than useful. The new RCA's in the office are using it to help them find addresses on the case to mark their packages so doing it under the Load Vehicle is out as far as they're concerned.

Morty · May 5, 2023

magnolia72 said:
Years ago when the Load Truck feature came out, I was told that the scanner would alert you that you had a package for an upcoming address. Is this true? I have never used Load Truck since I was under the impression that it was mainly for LLV's and since the SPM scans weren't hitting until after I'd either passed the box or was sitting across the street from said box, I didn't think that would be more stressful than useful. The new RCA's in the office are using it to help them find addresses on the case to mark their packages so doing it under the Load Vehicle is out as far as they're concerned.

1. No audible voice or alert as of yet.
2. The new RCAs can further extend load vehicle time by also writing the sequence # on the parcels as they scan and load. Then at the case, open up package lookahead and mark all the parcels. It will be listed in route rider, only takes a minute or 2 (because we can sort at 86ppm now). Your RCAs are wasting precious load time by not utilizing package lookahead. And no, you won't be able to know what is a spur or large box. But I find it's barely an inconvenience.

jsthere723 · May 5, 2023

w2e2w2e said:
So do we even get a scan credit of 5 or 8 or 13 econds for each scan?
Or just plain zilch except for extra tim on startloadveh ?

What if we use the loadtruck function without being on load time??

See how one question just brings up 2 more??

I tried to tell many people before. Anyway, you have asked clearly, so the answer should clear up all the confusion. You get nothing if you are not on load time . Nothing. Period .
Under load time you extend your load time for sure . Say you have 100 packages and it takes you about 3 second extra to scan each package . That’s 5 minutes. So you will gain extra 5 minutes for load time

jsthere723 · May 5, 2023

Morty said:
We don't actually know what it gives. All I know is that me and the gang at my office have been using it since it came out. If I'm touching a parcel, I'm on load truck and load vehicle. I take my spurs out too, they get scanned and trayed. Our load time is massive.

In my office, we did alot of unnatural things. Every time we get questioned we snap back, been doing that for over 2 years! You'll get questioned about load time when it jumps from 5 minutes to 30 minutes. Whereas my load time has been 30 minutes for years!

But I'm not cheating the system. Both parties agreed to it as a legit practice. If you boosted your load time 20 minutes a day, that's 2 hours. 2 hours you aren't getting paid for to sort packages in office.

You are right on . Only disagree with your last sentence. We are actually paid separate to sort and organize. Load truck is for which section of the truck to put the packages and also to tell that you yourself has received the package— not a fantom list on the scanner while the package is actually in some other office .People should utilize load truck for that and get the benefit of extra few minutes load time . People really should not abuse it for marking , coloring , numbering . That’s how the management will get the opportunity to crack down on load time

w2e2w2e · May 5, 2023

I read that those 1 step and two step scans are like the SPM scans..but even they take longer than 10 seconds.

mitchsg3 · Oct 13, 2023

Are there official rules on this feature? I hear people are going into start load and then load truck. Then scan and mark each package. If this is legit and true then why is it a secret? Are people using this function to get paid to mark their parcels? It is either fact based or not. I can't find anything on it and I only know one rural in my office that does it.

jsthere723 · Oct 13, 2023

mitchsg3 said:
Are there official rules on this feature? I hear people are going into start load and then load truck. Then scan and mark each package. If this is legit and true then why is it a secret? Are people using this function to get paid to mark their parcels? It is either fact based or not. I can't find anything on it and I only know one rural in my office that does it.

Marking parcels and organizing your hampers under load time is not legit .Because it is already paid elsewhere. But start load and then load truck and load into the right section of your truck is perfectly legit . And should be done that way . But if your sups are not enforcing that and some peeps are taking advantage of that who are we to stop that

dssdmooers · Monday at 5:21 PM

jsthere723 said:
You are right on . Only disagree with your last sentence. We are actually paid separate to sort and organize. Load truck is for which section of the truck to put the packages and also to tell that you yourself has received the package— not a fantom list on the scanner while the package is actually in some other office .People should utilize load truck for that and get the benefit of extra few minutes load time . People really should not abuse it for marking , coloring , numbering . That’s how the management will get the opportunity to crack down on load time

I know this is an older discussion, but my office is just now deciding to crack down on load time, my route was cut last year I was at that time getting 4-5 4x4 shark baskets and an over flow hamper daily. I was loading then sometimes for over 2 hours, baskets at the truck. The. Return baskets and sort thru usually over 300 packages. I now have about 200 packages daily, my load time is between 1-1.5 hours. Supervisors are cracking down because we are at a distribution facility and sometimes packages (Monday) are not ready until after 10 when on a usual day they are ready at 8. So many carriers are staying in start load/ load truck while waiting. I am looking for actual guidelines for when they should be in start load and load truck. It just seems like no one cared when our office was regularly expected to deliver 3-400 parcels a day per route and our routes were 48 ++ . Now that we all took cuts in route and pay they are very concerned about every minute we are evaluated.