LWOP

mariomail · 2026-10-21T15:48:26-0500

New thing at the (my) PO. apparently the PM now tells the supervisors if anyone calls out you are LWOP no matter what. OR in my case LWOP me on an approved annual leave day. ALSO decided somehow to give me leave rather than a code 5 on K day even though I worked that day - how does that work?

This is happening to several people in the office or perhaps more that I don't know about. Supervisor told one person they can no longer make adjustments. So according to this supervisor (who isn't very smart) if they make a mistake its just too bad you just don't get paid

Why are these people so stupid that work in management on this job and why do we have to deal with such things? Do they even realize they are federal employees representing the federal government which is now just deciding your sick leave doesn't matter you just don't get paid and if we make a mistake (hopefully you are as stupid as we are and never check your paycheck) we can just not pay you for working now.

Nothing ever surprises me and yet you tell the union you are tired of doing pay adjustments constantly and not being paid timely or correctly. To which the answer is as long as they correct it it's ok.

tonsillitis · 2026-10-21T15:54:22-0500

the exact reason why they got the job.

neciat · 2026-10-21T17:10:36-0500

mariomail said:
Nothing ever surprises me and yet you tell the union you are tired of doing pay adjustments constantly and not being paid timely or correctly. To which the answer is as long as they correct it it's ok

It IS NOT okay to blatantly violate The Nat'l Agreement, The ELM, and The F-21. Can and do mistakes OCCASIONALLY occur ? Yes. But to just arbitrarily as well as unilaterally LWOP carriers is unconscionable. Heck, even if / when a carrier is out of sick leave , it is the CARRIER'S OPTION to use either LWOP or annual leave. From Article 10 of The Nat'l Agreement ;

Section 3. Sick Leave

The Employer agrees to continue the administration of the pres-
ent sick leave program, which shall include the following spe-
cific items:
a. Credit employees with sick leave as earned.
b. Charge to annual leave or leave without pay (at
employee’s option) approved absence for which
employee has insufficient sick leave.
c. Employee becoming ill while on annual leave may have
leave charged to sick leave upon request.
d. Regular rural carriers shall be charged sick leave in
minimum units of one day.
e. For periods of absence of three (3) days or less, a
supervisor may accept an employee’s certification as
reason for an absence

From Article 5 of The Nat'l Agreement ;

PROHIBITION OF UNILATERAL ACTION

The Employer will not take any actions affecting wages, hours
and other terms and conditions of employment as defined in
Section 8(d) of the National Labor Relations Act which violate
the terms of this Agreement or are otherwise inconsistent with
its obligations under law

I sure hope this has been filed upon. If your DR and / or ADR are "okay" with all of this "as long as they fix it" , go over THEIR head(s).

jaymacgthree · 2026-10-21T17:12:25-0500

What is the time limit to correct their failures? You wait forever for pay adjustments, past the 14 day rule for grievances. If management can't handle their job these people should be canned. The union needs to be on top of getting carriers paid correctly. I would go so far as to say it should be their number 1 priority.

Old Fart · 2026-10-21T19:31:17-0500

mariomail said:
New thing at the (my) PO. apparently the PM now tells the supervisors if anyone calls out you are LWOP no matter what. OR in my case LWOP me on an approved annual leave day. ALSO decided somehow to give me leave rather than a code 5 on K day even though I worked that day - how does that work?

This is happening to several people in the office or perhaps more that I don't know about. Supervisor told one person they can no longer make adjustments. So according to this supervisor (who isn't very smart) if they make a mistake its just too bad you just don't get paid Why are these people so stupid that work in management on this job and why do we have to deal with such things? Do they even realize they are federal employees representing the federal government which is now just deciding your sick leave doesn't matter you just don't get paid and if we make a mistake (hopefully you are as stupid as we are and never check your paycheck) we can just not pay you for working now.

Nothing ever surprises me and yet you tell the union you are tired of doing pay adjustments constantly and not being paid timely or correctly. To which the answer is as long as they correct it it's ok.

I would contact my union DR immediately if your shop steward is giving you the brush off.. This manager is violating a number of policies and working for free by mandate is a HUGE no-no. Not the slightest chance that if a manager makes a mistake in payroll submission the carrier just doesn't get paid.

mariomail · 2026-10-21T22:05:01-0500

jaymacgthree said:
What is the time limit to correct their failures? You wait forever for pay adjustments, past the 14 day rule for grievances. If management can't handle their job these people should be canned. The union needs to be on top of getting carriers paid correctly. I would go so far as to say it should be their number 1 priority.