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Anyone dispute or grieve upside letters and missent?

ATCBigE

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Just curious to see if anyone has tried to file on this.

All of sudden perfect DPS for 2 weeks then back to the mess for 6 months then perfect again.

Has anyone kept track over a year and presented that as evidence to show route is under evaluated to add time on??
 
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I filed NUMEROUS times over my career but to no avail. I ended up telling the union that they should just tell the plant that "it's mail count" and THAT would put a halt to it. I even tried the revenue approach and attack citing that if the mail could not be processed in an upright position , it is non machinable and we should charge the mailer the appropriate rate. Anyway, here is a STEP 4 mind you with the memo that running mailings inverted is to be prohibited.
 

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DPS Review is not really applicable under RRECS since the DPS amounts are calculated for the 52 weeks of the year not just the 2 weeks of the old mail count.
 
Dps reviews got sold down the river with rrecs. you can try have yet to hear anyone win and get anything for it.
Well................................I know what you are saying and I do get where you would think that is the case because The Union and its' loyalists from the onset of RRECS were and continue to discourage , diminish, downplay, and even flat out tell you that DPS reviews are no longer necessary. What they DON'T tell you is this ; there is still an arbitrated ruling outlining the procedures for a DPS review for both quantity and quality. Also, the review process / contractual right is in The 603. Now, the ardent loyalists will say something like this , "DPS reviews aren't necessary because DPS is a rolling 52 week average." What they DON'T tell you is that the actual piece count for raw mail is ONLY counted for the 12 days ( unless there is a Holiday ) during the MMS and that's it. The raw mail piece count is used as the weekly average while DPS is an actual piece count each and every day. So, during those 12 days when the raw mail is counted is the time period upon which the percentage of raw mail to DPS is actually set. Coincidentally, the 12 day time period also lines right up with the mandated arbitrated time frame upon which mail ( raw and DPS ) is counted when conducting a DPS review. So, while you are receiving trays of raw mail after the MMS , the route is set based upon what was recorded during the MMS with no credit for the extra raw mail. Another reason reviews are discouraged is because under RRECS, there is no sector segment mail. The arbitrated ruling states to revert to raw or sector segment as appropriate. Well, with no sector segment................raw would be appropriate. Think about it....................revert from 86.7 per minute to 15.45 per minute for raw letters. That would be 5.61 times ( 86.7 divided by 15.45 ) MORE time the route's standard hours would increase. If you have one hour credit now per week for DPS, the standard hours would increase over 5 1/2 hours and that's for ONE hour. AND the route would have to re-qualify under THAT process to be reinstated to a DPS standard route. That's a whole 'nother process in and of itself. THAT'S WHY they don't want anyone doing DPS reviews. Having said all of that , I myself requested a quantity DPS review right after the very first RRECS evaluations took effect. What was that...............3 or 4 years ago ? Anyway, they didn't do the review. I filed on that. Then, after the second MMS and THAT evaluation took effect , I filed again. My point on that was this ; first RRECS evaluation to get me the previoous 52 weeks all raw mail. Second RRECS evaluation gives my 26 weeks raw. As of today, I STILL have not heard a peep from anyone.
 
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Well................................I know what you are saying and I do get where you would think that is the case because The Union and its' loyalists from the onset of RRECS were and continue to discourage , diminish, downplay, and even flat out tell you that DPS reviews are no longer necessary. What they DON'T tell you is this ; there is still an arbitrated ruling outlining the procedures for a DPS review for both quantity and quality. Also, the review process / contractual right is in The 603. Now, the ardent loyalists will say something like this , "DPS reviews aren't necessary because DPS is a rolling 52 week average." What they DON'T tell you is that the actual piece count for raw mail is ONLY counted for the 12 days ( unless there is a Holiday ) during the MMS and that's it. The raw mail piece count is used as the weekly average while DPS is an actual piece count each and every day. So, during those 12 days when the raw mail is counted is the time period upon which the percentage of raw mail to DPS is actually set. Coincidentally, the 12 day time period also lines right up with the mandated arbitrated time frame upon which mail ( raw and DPS ) is counted when conducting a DPS review. So, while you are receiving trays of raw mail after the MMS , the route is set based upon what was recorded during the MMS with no credit for the extra raw mail. Another reason reviews are discouraged is because under RRECS, there is no sector segment mail. The arbitrated ruling states to revert to raw or sector segment as appropriate. Well, with no sector segment................raw would be appropriate. Think about it....................revert from 86.7 per minute to 15.45 per minute for raw letters. That would be 5.61 times ( 86.7 divided by 15.45 ) MORE time the route's standard hours would increase. If you have one hour credit now per week for DPS, the standard hours would increase over 5 1/2 hours and that's for ONE hour. AND the route would have to re-qualify under THAT process to be reinstated to a DPS standard route. That's a whole 'nother process in and of itself. THAT'S WHY they don't want anyone doing DPS reviews. Having said all of that , I myself requested a quantity DPS review right after the very first RRECS evaluations took effect. What was that...............3 or 4 years ago ? Anyway, they didn't do the review. I filed on that. Then, after the second MMS and THAT evaluation took effect , I filed again. My point on that was this ; first RRECS evaluation to get me the previoous 52 weeks all raw mail. Second RRECS evaluation gives my 26 weeks raw. As of today, I STILL have not heard a peep from anyone.
And you probably never will because under RRECS your DPS is credited as it is presented on a daily basis for the entire 52 week period. There is no longer a "DPS %" of your total volume based on a "count" period. Under RRECS the DPS review is a moot point!
 
And you probably never will because under RRECS your DPS is credited as it is presented on a daily basis for the entire 52 week period. There is no longer a "DPS %" of your total volume based on a "count" period. Under RRECS the DPS review is a moot point!
If DPS reviews are a moot point, why was it NOT taken out of our contract before it was ratified?
DPS reviews are completely legitimate.
I too requested one after the first mini count, had it, it failed (therefore I won), and nothing ever happened. I grieved it, and it is currently at Step 4 with all the other DPS reviews that occurred for the last 3 years, while our highly paid union officials sit on their 👍's.
The USPS is saying they don't exist anymore, but failed to remove it from our contract. There is NO fix if your Domino's pizza adds are in DPS during count and not in for all time outside of count. DPS reviews are the ONLY thing that held the stoners at the plant in check. If they wouldn't do their job and run those machinable PAID pieces just like they did during your last count, the USPS would have to pay dearly for it.
 
Time to handle messed up dps occurs in EOS every single day. Dont we do our own reviews daily by pulling and handling all the jacked up letters we pull during EOS time consistently. Stop casing dps perfectly prior to leaving for route....I am 1000% convinced it is in our best interest (for multiple reasons) to work it on the street.
How much time does it add to your EOS time?
 
i got an idea do the mess after the count under load time, the same thing happened to me as well, perfect dps, flats were organized in trays , that were always a mess , after count i would have 50-70 letters to hand sort. or more not in a rubber band , its just wrong. Welcome to the usps , where everything is a scam , and backed by the union .
 
If DPS reviews are a moot point, why was it NOT taken out of our contract before it was ratified?
DPS reviews are completely legitimate.
I too requested one after the first mini count, had it, it failed (therefore I won), and nothing ever happened. I grieved it, and it is currently at Step 4 with all the other DPS reviews that occurred for the last 3 years, while our highly paid union officials sit on their 👍's.
The USPS is saying they don't exist anymore, but failed to remove it from our contract. There is NO fix if your Domino's pizza adds are in DPS during count and not in for all time outside of count. DPS reviews are the ONLY thing that held the stoners at the plant in check. If they wouldn't do their job and run those machinable PAID pieces just like they did during your last count, the USPS would have to pay dearly for it.
Correct !!! DPS reviews , both quality and quantity, are still a valid , legitimate, and viable option. There is language cited throughout various rulings that state with words to the effect that "the PO cannot rewrite The 603" and " was entered into freely through collective bargaining" . I did notice something, though. This is from The RRECS Guide provided by The NRLCA back in '21 ;

RRECS will eliminate the need for Formal Reviews of DPS for Quantity because the DPS
volume is calculated every day over a 52‐week period. Therefore, the evaluation will be
based on the actual DPS percentage received in an entire year. RRECS will also eliminate
the need for additional compensation for second runs of DPS because those also will be
calculated as DPS Cased Letters in the 52‐week totals.

First off, "will eliminate".......................that sounds like something the PO would say.........hmmmmmmmm. Then, we have the "actual DPS percentage received in an entire year" con phrase. Well, if the raw mail counted / recorded during the MMS is the SAME figure used in each week until the next MMS , then this is clearly NOT "the actual DPS percentage received in an entire year" because they ( both parties ) are using the ACTUAL DAILY PIECE count for DPS while at the same time ONLY using a STATIC FIGURE for the raw mail which was determined at the most recent MMS. This is why I say that the percentage number is "set" during the MMS. Those 12 days of raw mail and those 12 days of DPS set the baseline. This is also cited in The Bloch Award. This is why during the quantity review, you DO actually count the raw mail and NOT use an "average" number. Now, The NRLCA did back pedal a bit later on in their revised RRECS Guide with this from '24 ;

RRECS will decrease the need for Formal Reviews of DPS for Quantity because the DPS
volume is calculated every day over a 52‐week period. Therefore, the evaluation will be
based on the actual DPS percentage received in an entire year. The DPS Percentage will
be determined every six months using the 52‐week averages of DPS and Random and
WSS Letters received. A carrier may still request the Review, and management will have
30 days to correct the discrepancy. Any re‐classification would only be effective until the
next evaluation period.

While I believe that neither party really wants a carrier to perform and prevail in a review because that would benefit the carrier , I think that the issue is that both parties THINK , or at least will state , there is no way to properly compensate the carrier. Can you say " pay adjustment" ? I understand that this is not like the old days where you moved a set number of DPS pieces into the sector segment column and , WHAM , it was done but they DO have the numbers as well as the standards and converting 86.7 to 15.45 could be done.
 
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How much time does it add to your EOS time?
On my primary, it added 30-60 minutes daily handling it, thought it still is an abnormal route. For most normal routes, it adds 5-20 minutes. It's about eliminating efficiency on the street and spending that time on EOS instead, with the side benefit of only focusing on delivery instead of handling and sorting. If you want to go home after the route, it will hurt your feelings to do it this way though.

That said, city supers and pms will start attacking you for it, saying it all should be done on the street and you only have 5 minutes EOS. Was told by one that EOS does not affect routes...
 
Time to handle messed up dps occurs in EOS every single day. Dont we do our own reviews daily by pulling and handling all the jacked up letters we pull during EOS time consistently. Stop casing dps perfectly prior to leaving for route....I am 1000% convinced it is in our best interest (for multiple reasons) to work it on the street.
I case and handle 3m mark up on EoS. Just rubber band it all and toss in tub I use for outgoing.
 
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