COUNT DATA CERTIFIED TO BE CORRECT

[D.B.Cooper]

Those counting will be asked to sign below that statement...

What are valid reasons to NOT sign it, and if not signing, what is required in the way of dispute statements???  <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

 

[Rt2mailman]

If you have an unresolved dispute with management, about pieces or practices required during count to be counted or done that are not contractual you shouldn't sign that you believe the count data to be correct. You must then give management a letter, spelling out all disputes with your evidences. If management (which they always do) deny any wrongdoing, you must then grieve. You never can be required to sign, but if you have no evidence for the following grievance, not signing will mean nothing, because the grievance will fail, or be withdrawn by the union.

An example would be,  your manager required you to remove all customers away from their residences for more than 90 days, from your edit sheets. You have 20 that had temporary forwards in, (those are not required to be removed) ,but your pm wouldn't allow them to be counted. You shouldn't sign, write a letter to him stating why, and give copies of the PARS labels from those forwards. If management says "all was done correctly during count", file a grievance, easy win. 

 

[btdtret]

D.B.Cooper -- "What are valid reasons to NOT sign it, and if not signing, what is required in the way of dispute statements?"

--  Unresolved disputed items addressed during the count period.

--  Manglement not adhering to a mailer's requested delivery date(s).

--  If you can document when such items as Money Pages, Mint Magazine, Home & Decor, a local news paper, Penny Saver, etc which in the past came in for delivery during the time period for the 2018 mail count and just "happened" to come in prior to count or after count, that would be worth mentioning.   Of course, like my last count, District may just send a sheet with the "mail availability" box checked!   Just another postal "coincidence".

--  A counter had not attended a count school.  ( aside from "folk lore",  still trying to find a reference that a counter must have attended count school -- anyone?? )

 

[12345]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Rt2mailman said </strong>
If you have an unresolved dispute with management, about pieces or practices required during count to be counted or done that are not contractual you shouldn't sign that you believe the count data to be correct. You must then give management a letter, spelling out all disputes with your evidences. If management (which they always do) deny any wrongdoing, you must then grieve. You never can be required to sign, but if you have no evidence for the following grievance, not signing will mean nothing, because the grievance will fail, or be withdrawn by the union.

An example would be,  your manager required you to remove all customers away from their residences for more than 90 days, from your edit sheets. You have 20 that had temporary forwards in, (those are not required to be removed) ,but your pm wouldn't allow them to be counted. You shouldn't sign, write a letter to him stating why, and give copies of the PARS labels from those forwards. If management says "all was done correctly during count", file a grievance, easy win.   </blockquote>
Do you have the reference for temporary forwards not being removed after 90 days? My experience relates more to how busy a supervisor thinks they are. Some do not think the have the time to remove and add temporary forwards; so they just leave them.  We would no stat the edit book when they leave and remove from the 4003 after 90 days but the would be added as a delivery again when they return even if over the 1/2 mile from the line of travel. We had one PM that kept real close track of the 90 days. Customers some were dropped from the 4003 on the last day of count if that is when the 90 days were up.

 

[Rt2mailman]

12345, As per any Union count seminar/guide and found in the AMS Update August 22 2005:

Snowbirds are customers who leave their
primary residence unoccupied for approximately
the same period each year, usually in the winter.
 The home of record, or the address where the
,, COA originated remains an active address while
: the destination address, which is also an active
 delivery, is tagged as seasonal.
Remember, only permanent COAs should be
flagged as vacant on city routes, or CDS NoStats
on rural/highway contract routes.
Temporary forwards remain as active deliveries
on the Route Listing Report.

If any carrier has had any of these type of boxes removed from their edit sheets, they should be put back on before count ends, and I would claim time to do it as edit book time under column 17.

 

[btdtret]

D.B.Cooper -- "What are valid reasons to NOT sign it, and if not signing, what is required in the way of dispute statements???"

--  Another item for your list:

If the Edit Book is still "down town" through out the entire count period, I'd be sure to mention that!

--  Carriers are supposed to be checking it at least weekly for "90-day periods" either for becoming vacant or coming off vacant status.

--  If a cell size needed to be changed during count, with no Edit Book at the case, unable to get timed for the change.