H route question

[littlesew&sew]

In one of our RMPO offices, there are 2 H routes. One is a 38H and the other is a 39H. At what point do these routes become below full time and get lowered to aux? The 39H carrier retired about 4 months ago and the route was posted and awarded. The 38 carrier just retired at the end of June and my primary RCA is waiting for the route to post.

I'm just wondering what it takes for a route to go down to an aux. Should the RCA be worried that there isn't going to be an H route to bid?

 

[UnknownUser]

In one of our RMPO offices, there are 2 H routes. One is a 38H and the other is a 39H. At what point do these routes become below full time and get lowered to aux? The 39H carrier retired about 4 months ago and the route was posted and awarded. The 38 carrier just retired at the end of June and my primary RCA is waiting for the route to post.

I'm just wondering what it takes for a route to go down to an aux. Should the RCA be worried that there isn't going to be an H route to bid?

Are you sure on those standard hours?
They are both too small for them to be regular routes. One will have to be built back up to be a regular route. -See Article 9.2.C.7.b(1)

I'd say that these routes probably would qualify for a count in September due to some significant changes. There's a guaranty of payment for regulars when routes become too small. I don't know how they bid the first one out with it being a 39 hour route. Some info may be missing.

 

[gotstamps]

Are you sure on those standard hours?
They are both too small for them to be regular routes. One will have to be built back up to be a regular route. -See Article 9.2.C.7.b(1)

I'd say that these routes probably would qualify for a count in September due to some significant changes. There's a guaranty of payment for regulars when routes become too small. I don't know how they bid the first one out with it being a 39 hour route. Some info may be missing.

Grandfathered in, probably.

 

[btdtret]

littlesew&sew -- " In one of our RMPO offices, there are 2 H routes. One is a 38H and the other is a 39H. At what point do these routes become below full time and get lowered to aux? "

-- Has any of your info been passed along to your Assistant District Representative? ( IMHO -- something fishy going on )

-- Was the 39H route posted as a regular route or an AUX?

-- Is manglement planning on posting the 38H route as a regular route also?

-- Since the Table of Evaluated Hours for Regular Routes only goes down to an H41 ( 40:30 to 41:29 standard hours ), both 38H and 39H should be considered "substandard" routes.

-- Per Section 212.2 - Auxiliary Routes - of the M-38.

- An Auxiliary route is one which normally evaluates under 35 hours per week, and the carrier is compensated for the hours actually worked.

-- Arbitrator Clarke's Award changed things up by making AUX routes reach the 42 hour plateau before conversion to a regular route. Prior to that, the plateau was 39 hours.

-- Maybe your manglement is using Section 822.2 - Regular Rural Routes - in the M-38.

- Establish additional regular routes if possible [ in relief of Rural Route ]. Regular rural routes will be considered if the proposed evaluation is 35 hours or more per week. Do not establish a regular route until the exact evaluation is determined by a mail count. ( for anyone: does Clarke's award over rule Section 822.2? )

 

[Sprocket]

littlesew&sew -- " In one of our RMPO offices, there are 2 H routes. One is a 38H and the other is a 39H. At what point do these routes become below full time and get lowered to aux? "

-- Has any of your info been passed along to your Assistant District Representative? ( IMHO -- something fishy going on )

-- Was the 39H route posted as a regular route or an AUX?

-- Is manglement planning on posting the 38H route as a regular route also?

-- Since the Table of Evaluated Hours for Regular Routes only goes down to an H41 ( 40:30 to 41:29 standard hours ), both 38H and 39H should be considered "substandard" routes.

-- Per Section 212.2 - Auxiliary Routes - of the M-38.

- An Auxiliary route is one which normally evaluates under 35 hours per week, and the carrier is compensated for the hours actually worked.

-- Arbitrator Clarke's Award changed things up by making AUX routes reach the 42 hour plateau before conversion to a regular route. Prior to that, the plateau was 39 hours.

-- Maybe your manglement is using Section 822.2 - Regular Rural Routes - in the M-38.

- Establish additional regular routes if possible [ in relief of Rural Route ]. Regular rural routes will be considered if the proposed evaluation is 35 hours or more per week. Do not establish a regular route until the exact evaluation is determined by a mail count. ( for anyone: does Clarke's award over rule Section 822.2? )

- An Auxiliary route is one which normally evaluates under 35 hours per week, and the carrier is compensated for the hours actually worked.

Is this right?

 

[littlesew&sew]

PastOThirty - not seasonal routes.

-- Has any of your info been passed along to your Assistant District Representative? ( IMHO -- something fishy going on ) Not that I am aware of but I will suggest that to senior RCA

-- Was the 39H route posted as a regular route or an AUX? It was posted as a regular route, which surprised me based on my understanding of the contract.

-- Is manglement planning on posting the 38H route as a regular route also? PM claims that plan is to post the 38 as a regular route.

From my own experience going regular, I know the specific deadlines on posting and awarding a route. I am unsure of when (in the 30 days to post the route) is management required to notify the union of possible route adjustments.
The situation I am thinking will happen: 38H regular officially retired June 30th. Route should post by July 31, but if union is notified of adjustment, the posting is held off until September. Vacant route, special count, route becomes aux. Senior RCA doesn't have a route to bid.

 

[littlesew&sew]

Are you sure on those standard hours?
They are both too small for them to be regular routes. One will have to be built back up to be a regular route. -See Article 9.2.C.7.b(1)

I'd say that these routes probably would qualify for a count in September due to some significant changes. There's a guaranty of payment for regulars when routes become too small. I don't know how they bid the first one out with it being a 39 hour route. Some info may be missing.

Yes I am sure on standard hours.

Both of the original carriers had 30+ years. I was surprised adjustments weren't made when the 39 retired. The route posted and was awarded as a regular route. I am thinking that isn't going to be the case this time.

 

[marked]

12.3.b.3.
3. All vacant routes will be posted on the basis of evalu-
ated time unless the evaluated time is less than 35:00
standard hours.

Below 35 hrs they become aux.

 

[littlesew&sew]

12.3.b.3.
3. All vacant routes will be posted on the basis of evalu-
ated time unless the evaluated time is less than 35:00
standard hours.

Below 35 hrs they become aux.

Thank you! I couldn't find that information. I guess I was using the wrong search words.

Seven more days for the route to be posted within the 30 required. I guess it's just a waiting game now for the senior RCA.

 

[Rcflyn]

- An Auxiliary route is one which normally evaluates under 35 hours per week, and the carrier is compensated for the hours actually worked.

Is this right?

I’m thinking no. My 5 years on aux, was always paid eval, except on Christmas time, but then I always ran parcels for all the routes in my office, THEN I was paid actual time.

 

[Sprocket]

I’m thinking no. My 5 years on aux, was always paid eval, except on Christmas time, but then I always ran parcels for all the routes in my office, THEN I was paid actual time.

Both aux routes in our cluster are paid eval time.

 

[littlesew&sew]

Senior RCA is going to be happy. The 38H route posted today. She's a great RCA, and I'm sure she'll be a great regular carrier too!