withdrawal of mail
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Rt2mailman
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Withdrawal of mail is done as a per office choice, every rural carrier in the office has to vote to have withdrawal of their mail or not, and then this decision is the norm until the next office wide count of mail, therefore it is not for some and not for others in an office. Withdrawal of mail means every piece is brought to you, except the final "hot case" check done while leaving to load. If any part of the morning mail is not brought to you, while being in a "withdrawal" office you are being shafted by the clerks that are not doing the job that they are supposed to be doing, and you can be paid on an 8127 form for the time it takes you to do their job.
Second definition, more often seen on Rural Info site: "Withdrawal of mail"--What plant managers do, to some offices, on the second week of a 2 week count when they feel that, the office in question, has received too much mail for their count, in the first week. Those offices that will receive much less mail than normal are "withdrawal offices", and said carriers are commonly known to be "withdrawn" or "depressed" over those circumstances.
Second definition, more often seen on Rural Info site: "Withdrawal of mail"--What plant managers do, to some offices, on the second week of a 2 week count when they feel that, the office in question, has received too much mail for their count, in the first week. Those offices that will receive much less mail than normal are "withdrawal offices", and said carriers are commonly known to be "withdrawn" or "depressed" over those circumstances.
D.B.Cooper
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<span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>Second definition, more often seen: "Withdrawal of mail"--What plant managers do, to some offices, on the second week of a 2 week count when they feel that, the office in question, has received too much mail for their count, in the first week. Those offices that will receive much less mail than normal are "withdrawal offices", and said carriers are commonly known to be "withdrawn" or "depressed" over those circumstances. </strong></span></blockquote>
Is that a real thing??? Never heard of that.... <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />
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<span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>Second definition, more often seen: "Withdrawal of mail"--What plant managers do, to some offices, on the second week of a 2 week count when they feel that, the office in question, has received too much mail for their count, in the first week. Those offices that will receive much less mail than normal are "withdrawal offices", and said carriers are commonly known to be "withdrawn" or "depressed" over those circumstances. </strong></span></blockquote>
Is that a real thing??? Never heard of that.... <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />
Rt2mailman
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Yes that is a real "thing" notice the "real" type written letters, and found in the (M-38 BFD,12345-"D.B."). You may never have heard of it, but I'm sure you have seen it.
D.B.Cooper
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I guess I was just wondering if it were a "real" written down policy somewhere that we could read and shake our heads at in disbelief... <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />
Yeah, I've seen it plenty... proving it's real is always the problem tho... <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />
Yeah, I've seen it plenty... proving it's real is always the problem tho... <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />
gotstamps
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"If any part of the morning mail is not brought to you, while being in a “<strong>withdrawal</strong>” office you are being shafted by the clerks that are not doing the job that they are supposed to be doing, and you can be paid on an 8127 form for the time it takes you to do their job."
Rt2- I think you mean in a "<strong>non-withdrawal</strong>" office. A withdrawal office gathers their own mail, presorts, & DPS. I'm glad to be in a withdrawal office as I hate having everything at or on my case & in my way while trying to work other mail. It's hard to stay organized when you're buried under mail & pkgs!
Rt2- I think you mean in a "<strong>non-withdrawal</strong>" office. A withdrawal office gathers their own mail, presorts, & DPS. I'm glad to be in a withdrawal office as I hate having everything at or on my case & in my way while trying to work other mail. It's hard to stay organized when you're buried under mail & pkgs!
OutHereSomewhere
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Withdrawal of mail is done as a per office choice, every rural carrier in the office has to vote to have withdrawal of their mail or not, and then this decision is the norm until the next office wide count of mail, therefore it is not for some and not for others in an office. <strong>Withdrawal of mail means every piece is brought to you</strong>, except the final "hot case" check done while leaving to load. If any part of the morning mail is not brought to you, while being in a "withdrawal" office you are being shafted by the clerks that are not doing the job that they are supposed to be doing, and you can be paid on an 8127 form for the time it takes you to do their job.
Second definition, more often seen on Rural Info site: "Withdrawal of mail"--What plant managers do, to some offices, on the second week of a 2 week count when they feel that, the office in question, has received too much mail for their count, in the first week. Those offices that will receive much less mail than normal are "withdrawal offices", and said carriers are commonly known to be "withdrawn" or "depressed" over those circumstances.
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I think you have that reversed. Withdrawal means you retrieve all of your mail yourself. That's worth 30 minutes a week, which is a lot.
Whooops, looks like gotstamps beat me to it.
<strong>Rt2mailman said </strong>
Withdrawal of mail is done as a per office choice, every rural carrier in the office has to vote to have withdrawal of their mail or not, and then this decision is the norm until the next office wide count of mail, therefore it is not for some and not for others in an office. <strong>Withdrawal of mail means every piece is brought to you</strong>, except the final "hot case" check done while leaving to load. If any part of the morning mail is not brought to you, while being in a "withdrawal" office you are being shafted by the clerks that are not doing the job that they are supposed to be doing, and you can be paid on an 8127 form for the time it takes you to do their job.
Second definition, more often seen on Rural Info site: "Withdrawal of mail"--What plant managers do, to some offices, on the second week of a 2 week count when they feel that, the office in question, has received too much mail for their count, in the first week. Those offices that will receive much less mail than normal are "withdrawal offices", and said carriers are commonly known to be "withdrawn" or "depressed" over those circumstances.
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I think you have that reversed. Withdrawal means you retrieve all of your mail yourself. That's worth 30 minutes a week, which is a lot.
Whooops, looks like gotstamps beat me to it.
Rt2mailman
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I was busy making a "joke" out of my second definition and reversed the official definition of withdrawal/non withdrawal.
M-38 "Big Freakin Deal" (12345, B.D. were previous posters) I didn't realize anyone would actually think, even the USPS, would refer to withdrawn or depressed rural carriers due to their lower count stats, sorry for the "slight of mind" definition.
M-38 "Big Freakin Deal" (12345, B.D. were previous posters) I didn't realize anyone would actually think, even the USPS, would refer to withdrawn or depressed rural carriers due to their lower count stats, sorry for the "slight of mind" definition.
Dex Dogtective
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Is being a withdrawal office mentioned somewhere on the mail count sheet? We recently went from being a non-withdrawal office to withdrawal and I want to make sure we get the 30 min per week time. If you're a withdrawal office, do you still get the column 17 actual time for withdrawal? I would guess no, right?
LouSainus
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Its a boxed that is checked or unchecked. I think just about every office is withdrawel these days. Every peice of mail you are going to deliver to the day must be placed on the ledge of your case daily for you to not get the 30 min time. This does not mean they wheel the DPS or FSS cart near your case but actually it must be placed on the case ledge.
Dex Dogtective -- "If you’re a withdrawal office, do you still get the column 17 actual time for withdrawal? I would guess no, right?"
-- Not exactly as there are other "circumstances" to deal with withdrawal.
-- There is the withdrawing of mail from the Hot Case. First stop of the morning, after reporting was to check the Hot Case. Additional trips to the Hot Case which would require timing ( Column 17 entries ) would be when called by a clerk because the Hot Case slot was full, checking the Hot Case when there was nothing else to do ( waiting on the clerks to throw parcels, for instance ), and that last check on the Hot Case when heading out to load the vehicle.
-- If called by clerks to replace a full parcel buggy, might try to get a timed event to do so.
-- More of a "retrieval" than a "withdrawal" -- if the DPS letter trays are mixed up on the conveyance they were brought in on, that would require the carrier to spend time looking through multiple conveyances ( GPS's ), hence additional compensation -- actual time to hunt and search for the DPS trays -- applies. There is a Step 4 ( D-19 ) for that situation. Also addressed on page 28 of the Mail Count Guide ( item # 26 ). May apply to DPS Flats too. -- Anyone??
-- Not exactly as there are other "circumstances" to deal with withdrawal.
-- There is the withdrawing of mail from the Hot Case. First stop of the morning, after reporting was to check the Hot Case. Additional trips to the Hot Case which would require timing ( Column 17 entries ) would be when called by a clerk because the Hot Case slot was full, checking the Hot Case when there was nothing else to do ( waiting on the clerks to throw parcels, for instance ), and that last check on the Hot Case when heading out to load the vehicle.
-- If called by clerks to replace a full parcel buggy, might try to get a timed event to do so.
-- More of a "retrieval" than a "withdrawal" -- if the DPS letter trays are mixed up on the conveyance they were brought in on, that would require the carrier to spend time looking through multiple conveyances ( GPS's ), hence additional compensation -- actual time to hunt and search for the DPS trays -- applies. There is a Step 4 ( D-19 ) for that situation. Also addressed on page 28 of the Mail Count Guide ( item # 26 ). May apply to DPS Flats too. -- Anyone??
