Where to go from here

[DB.Cooper]

The union was acting as my agent. That is literally the relationship. I, not the agent, should hold rights to the decision.

Who works for who???? We pay the dues, don't they work for us??? Isn't all of this "our" information and data???? Why do they have the right to deny our access to our information???? ?‍

Good gawd, what could we come up with if we were real lawyers??? ???

 

[DB.Cooper]

I'm thinking if they went to the trouble of sending the PT a certified letter from a lawyer.... they're likely reading this thread..... js.... anybody have a message they like to have the NRLCA read???? ?‍????

 

[DB.Cooper]

Not just access but delegation of rights, particularly with distribution as we desire, typically in a professional course of action or suggestion.

All we're doing here is discussing aspects of our profession..... shouldn't that be allowed, dare I say, even encouraged and facilitated by the association that represents us???? ?‍

 

[DB.Cooper]

Does the NRLCA care about what their membership wants???? Do they want to "emgage" with the membership???? Are "WE" REALLY the " union"????

Should we conduct a poll here to see what the "membership" thinks of restricting or shutting down this very helpful and informative site???? ?‍?

 

[Haychica]

I'm thinking if they went to the trouble of sending the PT a certified letter from a lawyer.... they're likely reading this thread..... js.... anybody have a message they like to have the NRLCA read???? ?‍????

Nothing I haven't ALREADY said...js

 

[DB.Cooper]

For me, this thread raises questions of the NRLCA's representation of it's members . . what about the requirement that they represent ALL rural craft peeps, dues paying, or not.... maybe this should be the subject of a NLRB failure to represent complaint .... js.... they wanna attack somebody who is trying to help ALL rural carriers.... maybe they should be looking in the mirror for problems..... peeps living in glass houses....?

 

[flash]

Seems to me, the APWU and NALC have WAY better websites than does the NRLCA. .. and I have this opinion because I can see their websites with NO password.... why do those unions make so much info available without passwords, but the NRLCA won't share any info without a password... and, they won't give passwords to rural craft members they represent, unless they pay the dues.... it's like they're trying to hold information as hostage to try and make peeps pay their jacked up dues.... imo, the NRLCA is funked up....

It’s pathetic that you can download and access the PO 603 only from APWU site. I mean, it IS the rural handbook and all.....

 

[neciat]

One can clearly see by the part of the statement , if that statement is verbatim and NOT paraphrased by P.T. , where the word "membership" is used instead of the word "craft" that there are those that are excluded or not included depending upon how you choose to view the matter with respect to " does more harm than good for the membership."

 

[DB.Cooper]

It’s pathetic that you can download and access the PO 603 only from APWU site. I mean, it IS the rural handbook and all.....

I'm really baffled that the NRLCA is saying any of this is proprietary to them.... seems ridiculous....

As I said before, I think the "proprietary" claims are just a red herring distraction..... they don't like this site for other reasons, and they're just reaching for straws to attack it, for anything they can dream up.... jmho.... ?‍?

 

[DB.Cooper]

One can clearly see by the part of the statement , if that statement is verbatim and NOT paraphrased by P.T. , where the word "membership" is used instead of the word "craft" that there are those that are excluded or not included depending upon how you choose to view the matter with respect to " does more harm than good for the membership."

I think you might have hit the nail on the head with that one....

Especially if they are viewing access to information as a sales tool for their dues collection.... sure they don't want information made available to non- dues paying members..... I really think that's what this is really all about.... js.... should probably be the focus of a NRLB failure to represent complaint.... ??

 

[btdtret]

flash et al -- "It’s pathetic that you can download and access the PO 603 only from APWU site. I mean, it IS the rural handbook and all.."

-- Sorry, not quite true.

-- Google " USPS PO-603".

-- Also available for download at Ruralinfo.net - under Contract and More.

 

[DB.Cooper]

I can't remember who it was here.... but somebody had written a letter to the Stutzsliemer and made mention they quit paying the dues.... well that warranted a snarky reply from the " leader" of this fine organization.... he basically insulted and berated this person for not paying the dues.... whereas long time dues paying members never seem to warrant any replies to their letters.... js.... goes to show what they really care about, and basically ALL they care about..... but, we're too stupid to see it.... ??

 

[DB.Cooper]

I find it baffling that after all of these years of this site being up and running and HELPING rural carriers everywhere, all of a sudden, out of the blue, here comes a certified letter from the NRLCA..... What changed????

Did they have a meeting to discuss why dues paying membership is falling, and somehow decide that limiting information availability would somehow improve their ability to collect dues??? Just wondering what is really at the root of this effort??? ?‍?

 

[DB.Cooper]

Said it once, I’ll say it again.

Don’t mince words and fail to understand the entity you are discussing.

The members of the NRLCA did not and would never bring forth such action towards an individual that isn’t causing harm to this craft but actually providing a service without thought of return.

The leadership of the National Board is what is being questioned here. Their actions alone do not represent the view points of the membership as obvious from here and the response Dana has received on Facebook.

I have yet to read one negative comment about the work she does. Only support and others lending strength to her as she is forced to deal with this nonsense.

Fail to address the issue in the right way. You lose the opportunity to work toward the positive change we wish to see. For many here it is open and transparent access to the documentation that helps carriers do their job every day.

If all comments from "the membership" are supportive of this site.... then does that mean the NRLCA is not properly representing the wishes and desires of " the membership".... are "WE" REALLY the "union"???? ?‍?

 

[DB.Cooper]

You'd think some union shill would jump on here and explain why this move make perfect sense, and explain it to us all.... but, so far just crickets.... wth???? ?‍?

 

[K]

I never thought I would hate our "union" more than postal management....but...here I am....I'll be leaving the union asap and I'm looking at retiring early after 25 years because I can't take either managements or the unions shite nor can I trust either of them.

 

[Twomoreyears]

So, I am sure most of you have noticed that I have changed the way I share articles from the NRLCA. The reason is I have received a certified letter from the NRLCA's lawyers. From the beginning the NRLCA has been against the Ruralinfo website, but this is the first time they have gone as far as to have the lawyers get involved. I am currently trying to figure out how to respond and what this means for Ruralinfo.net.

I will be retiring next year and I am not sure I have this kind of fight still in me. Not sure why they decided to do it after all of these years, but they did. So if anyone has any ideas please let me know. This would also affect the knowledgebase. They want anything downloaded from the NRLCA website removed from my website.

So, I will continue to try to figure out how to move forward with this or even if I will at all. Please know, no matter what happens, I will always be forever grateful to the support I have received from rural carriers across the country. It has been a long wild ride and all of you have made it worth my time and effort.

If they shut Ruralinfo.net down, I’m leaving the union. With breaking my back delivering Amazon parcels for free (they came after last mail count), No RRECS, management mis-managing, and now this...it’s time to go.

 

[Joi De Viv're]

 

[charlie]

Running scared and running on empty......The sweet lady who has put in gazillions of hours just to help us all out has done more for every carrier than the union ever has done... Thank You Thank You Thank You.
The union poobahs smell a revolt percolating.... Instead of embracing the change, it is "OFF with their heads".... The poobahs do not understand that everything here helps strengthen us carriers... It is doing their job.
Imagine if the US Attorney General looked into the Union, the "stakeholders" and usps management and found that they all violated the RICO statutes and colluded against all of us employees?........

 

[drakeME]

We hurt their feelings when writing about their usefulness... but instead of improving, they shoot the messenger. Brilliant.