POLL: New Contract VOTE!!!!

[RollinRural]

This contract is the biggest joke I’ve ever seen.
I say roll the dice, what do we have to lose. There’s more to lose by voting yes.
The leave request changes are a loss. The wage increases are a joke, the task force is a joke and won’t accomplish much. The part about new rca’s only working their assigned route for the first two pay periods is a nice thought but completely unenforceable. Managers use them to do clerk work and parcel runs anyway and nobody knows the difference.

 

[DB.Cooper]

USPS will argue to give us even LESS
isn't this where our union steps in, and fights to get us more?

The dismal record of the NRLCA at arbitration is well established.... they consistently lose our @$$es at arbitration....

 

[RollinRural]

The dismal record of the NRLCA at arbitration is well established.... they consistently lose our @$$es at arbitration....

Arbitration brought a much much better mail count system called rrecs which will add about 10 hours to my route. Rrecs is the biggest success the rural craft has ever seen and it was gained as a result of arbitration. The only problem is that it was delayed too long for various reasons.
I’m not afraid of arbitration. You just want the raise asap to bump your high 3 years.

 

[DB.Cooper]

All you no voters wanna ignore the obvious... that we have within our grasp the LARGEST pay raises we've seen in DECADES... others here see it as well, like @gotstamps ... and you all know she's a straight shooter... so just knock it off with all the BS about trying to make it about me... it's not about me, it's about some finally decent pay raises for EVERYONE here...

 

[DB.Cooper]

This contract is the biggest joke I’ve ever seen.
I say roll the dice, what do we have to lose. There’s more to lose by voting yes.
The leave request changes are a loss. The wage increases are a joke, the task force is a joke and won’t accomplish much. The part about new rca’s only working their assigned route for the first two pay periods is a nice thought but completely unenforceable. Managers use them to do clerk work and parcel runs anyway and nobody knows the difference.

Are you on Table 2??? Arbitration brought you that as well.... js... how many $10 of THOUSANDS of $$$$ dollars did that cost you????

 

[DB.Cooper]

5 - 7 = -2, a pay cut it is.

Check your math.... 5.9% COLA... PLUS 1.3% pay raise... equals 7.2% raise... the largest we've seen in DECADES....

 

[ABCya]

I usually avoid commenting, because in the past it never led to anything but insults from people. I do check on here from time to time and see how my fellow Carriers are across the Nation.
I just wanted to chime in here, though, to remind some of the newer folks a few things. Many of us are beaten down, discouraged, feeling abandoned and are definitely abused and taken for granted.
That's exactly where they wanted us to be at this point. When you're starved for personal time, being cheated out of $ from the broken system, your body is breaking (if it isn't yet, it will be....), and you just simply want at least a little dose of what you know you have earned.....any little crumb feels good.
But that's what "they" want. If you're owed $2, but are only guaranteed to receive $1, well after going without any dollars, $1 is better than none, right? Settle for less.
On the other hand, holding out for better work conditions, has no guarantee. They don't honor the contract now as it is. You keep giving an inch, they keep taking a foot. Follow the order, and grieve later. Watch the grievance get extended, then get the same results of cease and desist. Only to have a noncompliance.
The whole system is corrupt. I HATE working for the USPS. Be careful dedicating decades to the dictatorship that will steal your time from family, time for self, create a fight or flight mentality that will cause a person to constantly be skeptical of any person within the office. You develop a (often justifiable) paranoia of anyone you work for or with being out to screw you over.
No matter which way you vote, if you vote, don't hold your breath. The dictators at the top will keep on taking and the minions will keep on begging.
I say grab that floating piece of broken ship and get the heck out of there before you sink to the bottom. That place has gone to hell.

 

[Worve]

All you no voters wanna ignore the obvious... that we have within our grasp the LARGEST pay raises we've seen in DECADES... others here see it as well, like @gotstamps ... and you all know she's a straight shooter... so just knock it off with all the BS about trying to make it about me... it's not about me, it's about some finally decent pay raises for EVERYONE here...

1% is the biggest raise really. Maybe my math is wrong somewhere but I am still making less then an rca started at in 2012.

 

[RollinRural]

Are you on Table 2??? Arbitration brought you that as well.... js... how many $10 of THOUSANDS of $$$$ dollars did that cost you????

I barely made table 1
If I was on table 2 I would have quit a long time ago…

 

[H.Guders]

We passed the last contract when the yearly increases were 1.1, 1.0, and 0.9. This time we got 1.3% all three years.

The Arbitrator will look at the other Unions getting 1.3% this time as well and he can't do anything about Cola. I don't know what people are expecting the Arbitrator to give in regards to wages. Last time it was Table 2.

 

[Skierstmoritz]

1% is the biggest raise really. Maybe my math is wrong somewhere but I am still making less then an rca started at in 2012.

You are.....I started in 2011 as an rca.....my pay was $19.64/hr. Vote yes like db and got stamps and the other table 1 step 12 carriers want you to vote. Have we lost in arbitration? Yes. But right now we have more leverage than ever before. They just want their money asap. IMHO we are in a better position than ever before. The 2012 contract was in a recession.

 

[hacksaaw]

They did jack all for RCAs, PTO wasn’t the issue, protection from being forced to other offices, automatic becoming a PTF after 3 years, increased pay for working holidays and Sundays, even a pay bump for going to other offices to provide an incentive for RCAs. dumping the idea that we are on call. that would help retain RCAs. Nothing was done to make the RCA job closer to what the older guys claim was what they did before the days of 7 days a week which they never faced. That is the real joke because you old guys were able to stay home and watch the ball game on Sunday, and go to your Memorial Day BBQ without stress.

 

[DB.Cooper]

1% is the biggest raise really. Maybe my math is wrong somewhere but I am still making less then an rca started at in 2012.

Something to consider, even for RCAs that may not be thrilled with your current lot in life.... these larger raises for Regulars will increase your future pay, once you move on to those pay tables... same is true for Table 2 carriers, as they eventually merge with Table 1 at the top pay step.... so, you see, these raises really do benefits everyone...

 

[Gyros6875]

As a Table 2 Regular this contract is pretty bad.

Only a 1.3% raise after the hell we have been through the last 2 years with the COVID onslaught of packages that we have delivered for free.

It adds all kinds of limits to how and when I can use leave. Why do I have to get the ok from management about my plans if I want to take a day off more than 2 months in advance ?

RCAs are not getting COLA. So with inflation at like 7% they get a 1% raise ? I guess the new day off restrictions won't matter if we can't hire RCAs if they are so underpaid.

Truthfully though this contract will pass. Our Union has figured out that if they wait a year everyone will vote yes just because of the backpay.

 

[DB.Cooper]

Quote from the tentative contract:
In total, with the November 2021 GWI increase,
the July 2021 COLA and the January 2022 COLA
so far, regular rural carriers and PTFs will re-
ceive an approximate 5.6% increase in salary
upon the signing of this contract.

See above post... we got a whooping 3% total for the entire last contract....

I saw a list that showed the 2021 COLA at 5.9% plus the 1.3% GWI would be 7.2%... but either way it's a bigger boost than we've seen in a helluva long time...

 

[DB.Cooper]

We passed the last contract when the yearly increases were 1.1, 1.0, and 0.9. This time we got 1.3% all three years.

The Arbitrator will look at the other Unions getting 1.3% this time as well and he can't do anything about Cola. I don't know what people are expecting the Arbitrator to give in regards to wages. Last time it was Table 2.

I figure APWU will vote shortly, and overwhelmingly pass their contract... seems foolish to try to vote ours down... a arbitrator is gonna give us the same damned thing anyways... remember, the same peeps who have already agreed to this contract are the ones who'll be making the case to the arbitrator...

 

[Worve]

I figure APWU will vote shortly, and overwhelmingly pass their contract... seems foolish to try to vote ours down... a arbitrator is gonna give us the same damned thing anyways... remember, the same peeps who have already agreed to this contract are the ones who'll be making the case to the arbitrator...

If we get the same thing that would mean career after XXX amount of time and that would be something nice for RCAs.

the 1 hr leave for 20 hrs worked with a max of 4 hrs a pay period and 13 days max a year is a joke. With current hours the other RCAs are working in my office. by the 8-9 day mark they are no longer getting any more PTO.

but I digress you are set in your mind how you will vote and can not see any other viewpoint but your own.

 

[DB.Cooper]

If we get the same thing that would mean career after XXX amount of time and that would be something nice for RCAs.

the 1 hr leave for 20 hrs worked with a max of 4 hrs a pay period and 13 days max a year is a joke. With current hours the other RCAs are working in my office. by the 8-9 day mark they are no longer getting any more PTO.

but I digress you are set in your mind how you will vote and can not see any other viewpoint but your own.

Again. these are valid points... but I dont think a no vote will fix any of them....

Honestly, I really can't envision this contract getting voted down... if the past 2 contracts passed with 80% +margins, why would this one that offers THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF BACKPAY AND COLAS, fail????

 

[DB.Cooper]

If we get the same thing that would mean career after XXX amount of time and that would be something nice for RCAs.

the 1 hr leave for 20 hrs worked with a max of 4 hrs a pay period and 13 days max a year is a joke. With current hours the other RCAs are working in my office. by the 8-9 day mark they are no longer getting any more PTO.

but I digress you are set in your mind how you will vote and can not see any other viewpoint but your own.

New Regs only get 13 days of AL per year for the 1st 3 years... be unlikely RCAs would get more....

 

[DB.Cooper]

We passed the last contract when the yearly increases were 1.1, 1.0, and 0.9. This time we got 1.3% all three years.

The Arbitrator will look at the other Unions getting 1.3% this time as well and he can't do anything about Cola. I don't know what people are expecting the Arbitrator to give in regards to wages. Last time it was Table 2.

That is something peeps seem to want to avoid talking about... it was an arbitrator who "awarded" us Table 2... doh... and they wanna go back for more???