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Imformed delivery

The word showing is the same as visibility. Ok my bad informed delivery or visibility the point is the same. Another point is this new rrecs system is inappropriate for our craft with false data.
 
Wow isn’t this all a mess?

Union should be pushing for 100% box credit like we have now.

We are fools if we trust informed invisibility and stopping at boxes to get us a proper paycheck.

There’s no way to check if any of this is even half working.
 
Oh it is a mess but honestly I think this data collection crap is just to keep our focus elsewhere. I think we are straight hourly and have been a long time now. They just don't want us to know that is all this mess is.
 
Chickenlover said:
She's talking about two things.
1. Getting credit from informed visibility to actually get the piece count.
2. Getting the credit from informed delivery to get the proper route coverage factor applied for the day.
She wants to be able to tell the scanner she deserves 100% route coverage on a day there is a WSS in dps.
Granted, stopping at each box with the dps gives you the route coverage, BUT like I think Worve said, sometimes you might get 80% coverage in dps one day and the rest shows up on diff days. Also cbu's need a WSS to get the 100% coverage or informed delivery SO BY NOT being able to scan WSS in dps we are chancing getting a bad route coverage factor.

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Q&A #16 talks about informed delivery for route coverage factor.

It's two diff things.
Letter mail comes from WebEOR reports generated by the processing facility the letters are run through
(this is informed delivery) we are told not to do Rrecs WSS on mail if it's in there.
informed visibility is the processing of marketing mail run through machines that gives a piece count. Seems like I only see flats associated with informed visility when I read about it. We were told to do a Rrecs WSS scan for these.

It seems we might be being hosed on route coverage with the directive to not do WSS when it's in dps.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Thing is is that if it’s in the DPS, we are getting credit for it & don’t need to case it to put it in route order. If it’s in the tubs from the plant, we are also already being credited those pieces with more time than we would have as a scan.
We only use the Saturation scans when the credit is not being given for the item. Falsifying what we deliver can get a carrier in big trouble. It’s not worth it for a few seconds of something we aren’t even having to stop for.
I just remind myself that I’m also getting credit for the <90 day vacancies without having to stop there & then paid to handle the forward mail again as a timed function.
 
gotstamps said:
IF WSS is not in Plant tubs or DPS, then it needs to accounted for somewhere & that’s where we come in..
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I'm still curious though about other flats. Let's look at WSSH for example. Our co worker who was trained to map also has spoken with supposedly one of the high up engineers who did the study. When scanning first started she was insisting that anything with that code should be entered separately. I pointed out how this could come on extremely small bundles. She said it didn't matter they had decided this was to be used any time it showed up. Now of course we know that position has changed. So what about WSS makes it not accounted for somewhere else but we are to believe that everything else is going to be accounted for somewhere??
 
EthelAnne said:
I’m gonna take a stab at explaining because I’m a bit of a masochist:

Let’s pretend you only get two pieces of mail in your DPS today. One is a Larry’s Lawn Service postcard that has WSS in the address; the other is a certified letter. If you look on the End of Run Report, you will see total DPS is “2”. They tell us that this stuff on the EOR report is kept track of and compiled as part of our route data, so take their word on that for what it is worth. I’m getting credited the time (whatever it is) for two DPS letters.

Now when I go to deliver these two pieces of mail, for the LLS postcard, I get the box time, drive time, whatever, all that stuff. Now when I go to deliver the certified letter, I scan it. The system thinks, “Oooh! This is a certified letter! @EthelAnne gets this extra time for scanning, walking to the door, getting signature …” etc. whatever it is we get for a certified letter. If I didn’t scan it, and I just delivered it, I would get no extra time, it would just be treated like that LLS postcard.

Now let’s say another day I get absolutely no DPS. I look at the EOR report and it says “0” for DPS. I’m getting absolutely no time for DPS today. The only thing I have to deliver is EDDM for Larry’s Lawn Service with the WSS in the address. There is no place where I am being credited for delivering this LLS unless I enter LETTERSWSS into the system.

This is a much longer way of saying what @Gotrope just said upthread …
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Lets Go Yes GIF by Cameo
 
I think the USPS, NRLCA and the people that dreamed RECCS up don't know what is entailed in this crap to be able to tell us what he heck is going on and how we are being paid or perhaps I should say "How much we are getting screwed"! :mad:

As I've said before, I think being "Paid Hourly" would be much easier than having to jump through all these hoops to get paid. Just my humble opinion.
 
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I hope all these questions are being addressed at your state convention to the national officer that is present. Don’t let them off the hook by some nonchalant answer that they’re gonna give you that you know good and well half the nations managers are saying something else. And it needs to be brought to the attention of these national officers that every post office understanding of the scans is totally different and when are they going to step up and give a clear directive on what we as a craft need to be doing
 
Cliff Clavin said:
I think the UPS, NRLA and the people that dreamed RECCS up don't know what is entailed in this crap to be able to tell us what he heck is going on and how we are being paid or perhaps I should say "How much we are getting screwed"! :mad:

As I've said before, I think being "Paid Hourly" would be much easier than having to jump through all these hoops to get paid. Just my humble opinion.
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That's exactly what I think about this. If we were paid by the hour, EVERYTHING would be "built in". No more unnecessary scans to keep track of mentally. To use @DB.Cooper's words, it's a goat rope, fustercluck, yada, yada, yada. Just allow us to do our jobs, go home and enjoy our lives and take the stinking target off our backs.
 
Well, all of this discussion reminds me of why I would never make a good steward. Why ? Well, because I too have noticed a HUGE increase in WSS letters in my DPS. Now, there are all kinds of documents and whatnot stating with words to the effect, " shall not influence a count, " "maintaining integrity during a count , " and similar vernacular. Just to remind everyone, RRECS is a count each and every day. Okay, when they run WSS in DPS, they are taking away / denying credit for each box served on that day. I probably will not get credit for each box served ESPECIALLY when NDCBUs are concerned. THAT is influencing a count. I won't even get into the pay standard difference which is unconscionable. I would fight it, of course, and then be instructed to drop it or let it go and then I would take the fight elsewhere. No way I would allow this to slide WITHOUT at least arguing the point(s).
 
neciat said:
Well, all of this discussion reminds me of why I would never make a good steward. Why ? Well, because I too have noticed a HUGE increase in WSS letters in my DPS. Now, there are all kinds of documents and whatnot stating with words to the effect, " shall not influence a count, " "maintaining integrity during a count , " and similar vernacular. Just to remind everyone, RRECS is a count each and every day. Okay, when they run WSS in DPS, they are taking away / denying credit for each box served on that day. I probably will not get credit for each box served ESPECIALLY when NDCBUs are concerned. THAT is influencing a count. I won't even get into the pay standard difference which is unconscionable. I would fight it, of course, and then be instructed to drop it or let it go and then I would take the fight elsewhere. No way I would allow this to slide WITHOUT at least arguing the point(s).
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Your what we need !
 
Cliff Clavin said:
I think the USPS, NRLCA and the people that dreamed RECCS up don't know what is entailed in this crap to be able to tell us what he heck is going on and how we are being paid or perhaps I should say "How much we are getting screwed"! :mad:

As I've said before, I think being "Paid Hourly" would be much easier than having to jump through all these hoops to get paid. Just my humble opinion.
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I’m pretty sure that UPS had nothing to do with us & I don’t know who NRCA is. Are you referring to RRECS with that RECCS or is that an Acronym for something else.
You should fire your Autocorrect as it’s making up stuff as you go, I think 🤔
 
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