RRECS: "70% of routes will lose 3-5 hours a week or more..."

[Old Fart]

Is this a good time to mention the cool new retirement calculator on tsp site? It's fun and show current income with projected retirement income and where you may fall short of meeting budget. Slidy bars, too.

No worries. I'm going to go to a G46, deliver mail and parcels on my route on sundays, it's a new level of evaluation for seven day regulars. Get the high 3 for retirement and use that handy calculator

 

[afk tornado]

This was the news from our union rep that came in today to do a discussion on the mini count, etc. She was matter of fact about it. Every office is different but she said this number is pretty much baked in as an average. You can imagine the questions from most carriers who just live day-to-day and don't pay attention to things.

I've been pounding them hard for years as a J-46 to get my high three in. I'd like my route to stay as it is, of course, to pad it more after the last years raises but it is what it is. I'll take the high option and see where I land. But I think there will be major fallout across the spectrum when this hits.

One of my coworkers is talking to management now about stealing from an aux route but she said the decisions from that come down from above. What does the new contract say about that now?

What kinds of routes do you have? Suburban, really rural, heavy or some Amazon? Also, do you think your rep was talking generally about RRECS causing big losses, or just about your office?

 

[rural]

It’s in the RRECS Comprehensive Guide pp. 55-59.

Thanks

 

[ATCBigE]

I’m the only one in my office doing the scans. I know cause management told me so the other day. Thing is I’m still expecting to lose 5 -7 plus hours because of these bogus insanely unrealistic time standards. There’s no way to beat them no matter what we do and I swear I’m trying. A lot of my thinking process at work now is how I can turn something Into more time for rrecs but it’s not enough.

EXACTLY!!! Also they are cracking down on stuff such as AUTHDIS and other things. They have been telling me I can't have that many dismounts on my routes as I have.

 

[Edge]

Thanks

One thing that’s gonna kill us all is this box coverage factor. I don’t feel the system is adequate enough to capture when we stop at boxes for misc reasons and also the cbu boxes that get raw mail that’s not credited. Who knows how well the data from informed visibility is being transferred to the rrecs system for every route in the US?

 

[btdtret]

All -- "RRECS: "70% of routes will lose 3-5 hours a week or more.."

-- Can someone refresh my memory. Didn't the national leaders say 70% of rural carriers were making their evaluations?

-- On the flip side, does that mean the 30% of routes with Amazon will do well under RRECS?

 

[ATCBigE]

All -- "RRECS: "70% of routes will lose 3-5 hours a week or more.."

-- Can someone refresh my memory. Didn't the national leaders say 70% of rural carriers were making their evaluations?

-- On the flip side, does that mean the 30% of routes with Amazon will do well under RRECS?

I can refresh your memory on this comment from the great union of ours.


7. Are there any plans to hold routes or make other provisions for the possibility that routes may lose evaluation under RRECS?
A. Not at this time. This craft has learned from experience, that holding routes is not effective and can be harmful to the craft as a whole. We do not anticipate any large losses in evaluation under RRECS. Buffer for rebuilds, in the form of overburdened and or auxiliary routes exists in most offices.

 

[DB.Cooper]

And is this meant to improve retention? I can’t wait to see what happens to places like Colorado where there were/are ongoing staffing issues.

Table 2 once again will suffer most of all. Kinda crazy how Table 2 has been around for 12 years and there’s still not a single carrier at the top step. In fact they still have 3 years to go.

For all of the let's go to arbitrations fans out there.... the VERY LAST arbitration we had gave us Table 2, gave us RRECS, did away with HIGH option until after 10 years as a Reg, etc., etc., etc.... js.... so why were they cheerleading to go back to arbitration again????

 

[DB.Cooper]

Unleash the beast.... let the fustercluck begin.... start the goatrope.... turn on the $#!+ show.... It's gonna be uncontrolled chaos.... YeeHaw, let's ride.....

 

[RR5]

All

All -- "RRECS: "70% of routes will lose 3-5 hours a week or more.."

There will be alot of "or more". You will see many routes lose 10+ hours off their evaluations. Going to be alot of angry rural carriers next month with no plan in place to rebuild routes. Another massacre for the craft. Probably no response from Duke Street when this crap hits except for blaming carriers for not doing all the scans.

 

[Crab Rice]

What kinds of routes do you have? Suburban, really rural, heavy or some Amazon? Also, do you think your rep was talking generally about RRECS causing big losses, or just about your office?

Mostly rural with several very high Amazon. I'm just reporting what the rep said and that was what she was seeing as an average across the area.

 

[Crab Rice]

Yep...I think you are right. Gonna be a masacree and I wonder what the fall out will be.

 

[Worve]

Yep...I think you are right. Gonna be a masacree and I wonder what the fall out will be.

The same fall out as every time costumer service and regs wallets.

 

[Ruralhillcountry]

I am a 43k with 21 miles no nbcu and 550 stops and get Amazon
Get 200 parcels everyday and 50 go to the door
I think I will be in the 30% and should do good because I am high volume route and I heard short distance routes will do better
I did look over new numbers and they have most things in there favor
The only 3 things I think are above average will be low miles with a lot of stops, super high volume and Amazon still
If you have those three you will do really good

Longer routes, light volume and nbcu routes go down

Do others agree with me?

 

[Carrierguy]

For all of the let's go to arbitrations fans out there.... the VERY LAST arbitration we had gave us Table 2, gave us RRECS, did away with HIGH option until after 10 years as a Reg, etc., etc., etc.... js.... so why were they cheerleading to go back to arbitration again????

Between RRECS and Table 2…how could it get worse? We make way less and RRECS gives us way less credit for the things we do.

What good thing do we have for an arbitrator to take away?

 

[Toolology]

So much for the union bull on this!

 

[Worve]

I am a 43k with 21 miles no nbcu and 550 stops and get Amazon
Get 200 parcels everyday and 50 go to the door
I think I will be in the 30% and should do good because I am high volume route and I heard short distance routes will do better
I did look over new numbers and they have most things in there favor
The only 3 things I think are above average will be low miles with a lot of stops, super high volume and Amazon still
If you have those three you will do really good

Longer routes, light volume and nbcu routes go down

Do others agree with me?

It’s not the amount of miles per say it’s more the distance between boxes , turns, tcps. That’s my understanding anyways. Agree Amazon is a must and parcels to door pay, parcels in box do not. Coverage factor will be a big thing, and that doesn’t need a high volume. Just enough to get a majority to all boxes daily. Also where having boxes grouped helps a ton. 1 box may get mail the other 1+ may not. As long as you stop and are stationary for a period of time all boxes should get creditEd.

 

[afk tornado]

It’s not the amount of miles per say it’s more the distance between boxes , turns, tcps. That’s my understanding anyways. Agree Amazon is a must and parcels to door pay, parcels in box do not. Coverage factor will be a big thing, and that doesn’t need a high volume. Just enough to get a majority to all boxes daily. Also where having boxes grouped helps a ton. 1 box may get mail the other 1+ may not. As long as you stop and are stationary for a period of time all boxes should get creditEd.

Parcels to the door is the key for RRECS. I had 68 scans today and made 50 trips to front porches. Those trips to doors are gonna save my route. Hopefully.

 

[mariomail]

I can refresh your memory on this comment from the great union of ours.


7. Are there any plans to hold routes or make other provisions for the possibility that routes may lose evaluation under RRECS?
A. Not at this time. This craft has learned from experience, that holding routes is not effective and can be harmful to the craft as a whole. We do not anticipate any large losses in evaluation under RRECS. Buffer for rebuilds, in the form of overburdened and or auxiliary routes exists in most offices.

That's a comical answer from the beloved Union. The AUX route in my office become a regular route last year so there is no buffer in my office.

As far as bigger offices with "buffer" the one in my area is a $h&*show and there is no way a place like that is going to be gung ho in redoing all their routes.

I know I won't be happy losing many hours doing the same job especially since I worked like a dog for 4-5 years with amazon and never had a mail count in that time and this current RRECS eval will not include those numbers.

How about that interest for our backpay?

 

[neciat]

Okay people. Please stop it with this "buffer" talk. All that means is even MORE work for the same , well , LESS pay and LESS relief days than you had before. This plays right into the union's and the PO's plan. You want a "buffer" ? I got your "buffer" . DPS REVIEW. Ruling states to revert to sector segment or RAW as appropriate. RRCES Guide EXPLICITLY states that there is NO SECTOR SEGMENT under RRECS standards. RRECS DPS standard is 86 ppm. RRECS RAW standard is 15.5. That is over 5 TIMES the difference. So, you prevail in your quantity review and you go from 86ppm to 15.5ppm. WHY ? Because as the arbitrated ruling states ( and that word arbitrated is being thrown around an awful lot these days because we are taking ANOTHER beating ) revert to sector segment or raw as appropriate. With no sector segment present , RAW WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. Once again , more than 5 TIMES the difference. THAT IS YOUR 'BUFFER" !!!!