A little bird told me...

[Dominator]

I heard that the NRLCA is training various officers that our parliamentary authority, Robert's Rules of Order, is just a guideline.

Anyone recently in a union training class experience this?

 

[RollinRural]

I heard that the NRLCA is training various officers that our parliamentary authority, Robert's Rules of Order, is just a guideline.

Anyone recently in a union training class experience this?

Does it really matter? Everything is discussed and decided in the hotel hallways before every state and national convention. Everything from who will get which positions to what they’ll eat for dinner. Then the rank and file follow marching orders. Every convention is a top- down corrupt affair that resembles a communist dictatorship. If you go against the party line, you’re blacklisted. It’s a real sick demented group of people.

 

[psd181]

I heard that the NRLCA is training various officers that our parliamentary authority, Robert's Rules of Order, is just a guideline.

Anyone recently in a union training class experience this?

been doing those training for about 30 years. Actually pay for the prez and maybe even vp to attend a course on this. C&BL mention what edition of RRoO controls the proceedings.

 

[RollinRural]

Our state officers are sworn to secrecy. Told to not comment/advise or remark on anything that is said or goes on within the board meetings.

They don’t realize that this is part of the problem. Rank and file members have no clue what the heck is going on.

 

[Gotrope]

They don’t realize that this is part of the problem. Rank and file members have no clue what the heck is going on.

A little secret for you- most state officers are pretty danged clueless. They are probably told not to discuss so no one hears about the squabbling and ignorance on the boards. As a member, anyone may sit in on state board meetings. If they say otherwise, call NLRB.

Any given state only has 2-3 people tops whom understand procedure and labor law. And btw, what in tarnation is up with full time state officers? Make those people work.

 

[Gotrope]

I thought the whole idea was to advocate for and inform the membership. Secrets just make them seem untrustable. We need new people with new ideas, not secrets and cloak and dagger games. Just another reason to get out.

It's less secrets than clueless dialog.

 

[koolaid drinker]

If you read the Minutes of meetings you will find breaks with adjourned for secret union business and then they start up again with returned from secret union business.

 

[Gotrope]

If you read the Minutes of meetings you will find breaks with adjourned for secret union business and then they start up again with returned from secret union business.

Sometimes private session is for discussing recommendations of positions to national or DOL required review training for officers.
In my opinion, neither merit a closed session.

 

[Dominator]

Does it really matter?

It does matter if one supports the democratic ideology the organization proclaims to be.

Everything is discussed and decided in the hotel hallways before every state and national convention.

This report sadly is all too common.

Everything from who will get which positions to what they’ll eat for dinner.

And this is what somehow empowers this broken ideology.  

Then the rank and file follow marching orders.

Independent thought and free speech is a prerequisite of any democratic regime. Unfortunately, ours has seemingly turned into some kind of half-wit theology.

Every convention is a top- down corrupt affair that resembles a communist dictatorship.

"Civics" isn't exactly the NRLCA's forte.

If you go against the party line, you’re blacklisted.

Yeah... the terror of someone else select the brand of pudding for the group meal thing.

It’s a real sick demented group of people.

Many I've crossed paths with seem emotionally broken. Perhaps this organization is all they have that makes them feel like they matter in the world. This isn't an excuse. Ours is a labor union, not an emotional crutch for narcissists and sycophants.

Then again, perhaps that's exactly what it has become. Sad.

 

[Dominator]

been doing those training for about 30 years.

Wow! I hope they've been (mostly) beneficial!

Actually pay for the prez and maybe even vp to attend a course on this.

There are pay and free courses out there. I'd hope to make attending a course part of a delegate prerequisite, but the establishment always retreats to victimhood, claiming it's some kind of punishment to demand your representatives become educated.

C&BL mention what edition of RRoO controls the proceedings.

Precisely!

 

[Dominator]

Our state officers are sworn to secrecy.

Exclusively is an ego's addiction.

Told to not comment/advise or remark on anything that is said or goes on within the board meetings.

This is so sad. Heaven forbid that someone learn they're serving chocolate pudding instead of vanilla this year!

The states are powerless! The stewardship is centralized and the appeals process is broken. These loyalists may as well be guarding the dumpster from the trash man.

 

[Dominator]

They don’t realize that this is part of the problem. Rank and file members have no clue what the heck is going on.

It's romanticized as something extravagant to intimidate people from standing up and speaking out. Truth be told, I'd be surprised if 20% of the state officials and national delegates understand the mechanics of the NRLCA government and its policies. In my experience, many of those that figure it out are either run off by the groupthink factions, leave out of disinterest, or both.

 

[Dominator]

A little secret for you- most state officers are pretty danged clueless.

There are a few gems out there, but as time moves on, so do they.

They are probably told not to discuss so no one hears about the squabbling and ignorance on the boards.

Quite possible.

As a member, anyone may sit in on state board meetings. If they say otherwise, call NLRB.

This is why many of them clutch onto "executive session" like a security blanket.

Any given state only has 2-3 people tops whom understand procedure and labor law.

Yeah... likely at best.

And btw, what in tarnation is up with full time state officers? Make those people work.

I don't know. I guess it depends on their assigned constitutional duties. That stated, I wonder what kind of pushback would come with a constitutional amendment to do a time study on union reps and officers for their own version of RR3CS.

Would they squawk about being "punished" by a system similar to the one they hail?

Granted, this carries a heavy presumption that union agents would follow their own rules.

 

[Dominator]

I thought the whole idea was to advocate for and inform the membership.

That's an ongoing caucus-night gag.

Much like Colt 45...

It works every time!

Secrets just make them seem untrustable.

They clap back with the same fear mongering routine that if they talked about what they're doing, management would "find out" and then the sky would come crumbling down.

That stated, what we have now is passed off as the optimum strategy.

That's right. This is as good as it gets, and being knowledgeable or even expressing an independent thought would simply shatter our union’s arthritic backbone, which apparently is riddled with scoliosis, osteoporosis, and and endless array of hairline fractures.

We need new people with new ideas, not secrets and cloak and dagger games.

Any new idea of kicking the status quo to the curb might trigger certain emotional collapse for a good portion of officers and delegates.

Just another reason to get out.

With the reasons piling, I suspect it must be growing difficult to keep running game on the newbies.

 

[Dominator]

It's less secrets than clueless dialog.

Perhaps the biggest secret is the clueless dialog.

 

[Dominator]

If you read the Minutes of meetings you will find breaks with adjourned for secret union business and then they start up again with returned from secret union business.

That's just executive session. The body can force revelation of those minutes if they want.

I'd honestly be surprised if the National Board has a fair log of minutes recorded.

As many of us witnessed from the Juice case...

 

[Dominator]

Sometimes private session is for discussing recommendations of positions to national or DOL required review training for officers.
In my opinion, neither merit a closed session.

 

[Surprise!]

It does matter if one supports the democratic ideology the organization proclaims to be.

This report sadly is all too common.

And this is what somehow empowers this broken ideology.  

Independent thought and free speech is a prerequisite of any democratic regime. Unfortunately, ours has seemingly turned into some kind of half-wit theology.

"Civics" isn't exactly the NRLCA's forte.

Yeah... the terror of someone else select the brand of pudding for the group meal thing.

Many I've crossed paths with seem emotionally broken. Perhaps this organization is all they have that makes them feel like they matter in the world. This isn't an excuse. Ours is a labor union, not an emotional crutch for narcissists and sycophants.

Then again, perhaps that's exactly what it has become. Sad.

Makes me wonder why

RollinRural​

appears to be such a strong supporter of the NRLCA by slamming any opposition.

 

[RollinRural]

Makes me wonder why

RollinRural​

appears to be such a strong supporter of the NRLCA by slamming any opposition.

This isn’t a football game.
You either vote in new people (my preference), or you hold a vote to decertify thereby burning the whole thing down and starting from scratch(your preference). I believe the latter would be unnecessary and highly irresponsible and dangerous and the Usps would love it.

 

[Surprise!]

This isn’t a football game.
You either vote in new people (my preference), or you hold a vote to decertify thereby burning the whole thing down and starting from scratch(your preference). I believe the latter would be unnecessary and highly irresponsible and dangerous and the Usps would love it.

Do you realize your unpleasant beheavor has likely done more to recruit your opposition than any other single act on this board? If you had written as the above people would have at least read what you wanted to tell them. Now, many would oppose your side just because you are on it.