Decertify NRLCA Poll

[BluesClues]

When a union is decertified, the previous contract is no longer in force because one of the parties — the old union — is no longer around. This means that the benefits afforded by the previous contract are no longer in effect.
Say goodbye to your 5% match, your healthcare, your step increases, and everything else.
Unless you have a union lined up who can negotiate a new contract right away, we’re all screwed. With the NRLCA, at least our current/old contract is still effective until a new contract is ratified. With decertification we lose that.
Come in to work and do whatever route the manager wants you to do because there’s no contract protections.
Genius idea folks. Good luck with that…

It wouldn't go down like that, they wouldn't have any carriers left to deliver the mail. It's already hard as is, I doubt we would see much change without a union and what we lost would be gained back through another union within a month or two.

 

[Gotrope]

News flash, the summer volume is always factored in.
Rrecs evaluations are based on the past 12 months of data.

It will be 12 months of data this round. It wasn't last round.

 

[Gotrope]

I still haven't signed the decert petition.
I can't get myself to do it.
What we currently have could be better if active regular rurals would just invest time and energy into it. We just need to flood it with our efforts and find the gems among us that can build toward a future. EZ PZ right?
Going to district meeting....God I hope it doesn't fizzle my enthusiasm.

Let disappointment fire your enthusiasm for changes. Change your perspective.

 

[June1695]

It will be 12 months of data this round. It wasn't last round.

I think it was, other than coverage.

 

[Gotrope]

Coverage, stand-ups and (some parcel data was lost in the Midwest) other items didn't transfer to 12 months data. Not to mention All the split rt or rt assist which never went towards rt credit.

 

[Worve]

Coverage, stand-ups and (some parcel data was lost in the Midwest) other items didn't transfer to 12 months data. Not to mention All the split rt or rt assist which never went towards rt credit.

lost data is going to be the norm I think for many areas, or Not even captured. It’s just to much for old software and systems to handle let alone deal with.

 

[OldHillbilly]

lost data is going to be the norm I think for many areas, or Not even captured. It’s just to much for old software and systems to handle let alone deal with.

The man behind the curtain will fix it all.

 

[SilverHair]

lost data is going to be the norm I think for many areas, or Not even captured. It’s just to much for old software and systems to handle let alone deal with.

Coverage, stand-ups and (some parcel data was lost in the Midwest) other items didn't transfer to 12 months data. Not to mention All the split rt or rt assist which never went towards rt credit.

What?!? Lost data and items not transferring to 12 months’ worth!?! Did those routes just lose out? How often is this happening? Do we even know how often this has happened or is still happening?

Reminds me of an old Lily Tomlin skit where she’s the switchboard operator. IIRC, she pulls a plug out from the board and says, “Whoops, there goes Peoria!”

 

[Worve]

What?!? Lost data and items not transferring to 12 months’ worth!?! Did those routes just lose out? How often is this happening? Do we even know how often this has happened or is still happening?

Reminds me of an old Lily Tomlin skit where she’s the switchboard operator. IIRC, she pulls a plug out from the board and says, “Whoops, there goes Peoria!”

Track your rrecs scans alone. It’s not a small amount and it’s not a large amount that never even get recorded but it still impacts. For some it might be minutes weekly for others far more. Then think of everything else that goes into evals .

 

[RammerJammer]

What?!? Lost data and items not transferring to 12 months’ worth!?! Did those routes just lose out? How often is this happening? Do we even know how often this has happened or is still happening?

Reminds me of an old Lily Tomlin skit where she’s the switchboard operator. IIRC, she pulls a plug out from the board and says, “Whoops, there goes Peoria!”

One ringy dingy…”Is this the party to whom I am speaking”….then she would snort

 

[gotstamps]

Coverage, stand-ups and (some parcel data was lost in the Midwest) other items didn't transfer to 12 months data. Not to mention All the split rt or rt assist which never went towards rt credit.

Stand-ups were added to Misc Time which was averaged for the 2 week Survey & added as if done all 52 weeks. They are being added again on this MMS.

 

[gotstamps]

At least they finally have a real 52 week coverage factor and not the thin volume 13 prior weeks to mms that was in effect for last evaluations. That coverage factor ran from 1/7/23 to 4/7/23, some of the lightest automated volume we have seen. Hopefully, this helps some of the low box service credits rts received.

where are you getting your dates? The last MMS ended on 3/10/23 therefore the previous 13 weeks would have started in early December, 2022. December was heavy into January here.

 

[Gotrope]

Stand-ups were added to Misc Time which was averaged for the 2 week Survey & added as if done all 52 weeks. They are being added again on this MMS.yes, they averaged the 2 week mms. But, we had offices with 30 minutes a week average that lost that average because of the agreement to ignore the data that was available. Another Bridget idea.

 

[gotstamps]

Also, if it wasn’t for those of us who voted no 15 years ago because our time standards were cut, we wouldn’t have gone to arbitration, and we wouldn’t have rrecs(the greatest thing ever.). And then the union delayed it just to appease membership, now here we are. Everyone is getting paid what they deserve but the majority are pissed off about it.

What was voted on 15 years ago? Maybe you mean 17 yrs ago?
The 2006-2010 Contract was arbitrated (failed vote in 2006) & in effect December 2007.
The 2010-2015 Contract never made it to vote & was arbitrated in 2012.

 

[Gotrope]

where are you getting your dates? The last MMS ended on 3/10/23 therefore the previous 13 weeks would have started in early December, 2022. December was heavy into January here.

I was told the data was recalculated due to the delay. But, I don't believe they actually know for certain. And if the data was from December it makes zero sense on the coverage numbers we saw. From the data released to nrlca, the time frame matched the above dates best.
I hope the full year factor will benefit more routes.

 

[RollinRural]

What was voted on 15 years ago? Maybe you mean 17 yrs ago?
The 2006-2010 Contract was arbitrated (failed vote in 2006) & in effect December 2007.
The 2010-2015 Contract never made it to vote & was arbitrated in 2012.

Yes that’s the one. I was off by a couple years thanks for the correction

 

[gotstamps]

I was told the data was recalculated due to the delay. But, I don't believe they actually know for certain. And if the data was from December it makes zero sense on the coverage numbers we saw. From the data released to nrlca, the time frame matched the above dates best.
I hope the full year factor will benefit more routes.

No, it was not. Anything after 3/10/23 goes to the next survey. To use data after 3/10 for coverage & nothing else would have been a grievance in of itself.
I was at 98% as well as some others in my office. Some were 100%. The apartment routes had the lowest Coverage in my area. We had a lot of EDDMs & WSS during that time. It has dried up quite a bit since March so I expect mine & others to drop a bit.

 

[Rcflyn]

Yes. I understand the petition is just to show a 30% interest from the craft to allow a decertiication vote to occur. I haven't decided whether I want to contribute to the 30% yet. Currently on the fence. I am still taking in all viewpoints until I can figure out what seems like the best decision. I also understand even if we sign to decertify we wouldn't need to actually decertify the NRLCA.
I need to feel 100% confident with my choice.

I do want better.....that I know with 100% confidence. How to get better isn't as clear at the moment.

Yes. I understand the petition is just to show a 30% interest from the craft to allow a decertiication vote to occur. I haven't decided whether I want to contribute to the 30% yet. Currently on the fence. I am still taking in all viewpoints until I can figure out what seems like the best decision. I also understand even if we sign to decertify we wouldn't need to actually decertify the NRLCA.
I need to feel 100% confident with my choice.

I do want better.....that I know with 100% confidence. How to get better isn't as clear at the moment.

You show great concern in this. I too am very concerned. But my thoughts on this are.
after reading everybody’s opionions/concerns, I too am in limbo on actually voting to decertify. I’m sure the teamsters won’t touch us (competition clause ups and usps has), so who? Let’s not concider who YET….
WE already know, we’ve got the nrlcas attention. I’m not sure, but I’ll bet you, every one of them are sitting up there shaking in their shoes. (You, and I would be as well right now if the tides were turned)… they have no clue if their coming to work sometime next year. We have their attention, and if WE blow it, you think they’ve wronged us all these years? If we blow it, we’ve seen nothing like they’ve shown us before.
We have their attention. And if the 30% isn’t met, the nrlca will forever be sitting on duke street LAUGHING at every member, high 5ing each other, saying “look at those fools. We’ve had the wool pulled over their eyes for YEARS ON END. We’ve lost them countless dollars, we’ve lost them countless standards over their time, and they STILL STAND THERE, BACKING OUR DECISIONS. And they keep saying “thank you sir, may we have another” we have these fools wrapped around our Pinkey’s! Let’s get more from them!!!!!”
If the 30% isn’t met, we won’t have the option to decertify! And they win again! If the 30% isn’t met, we’re the laughing stock of the ENTIRE POSTAL SERVICE! Every position within the po. Management, De'joy, every other union in the po, every clerk, city carrier, WERE THE LAUGHING STOCK, if 30% isn’t met. The nrlca wins, and I’ll bet, they stop trying for us even more…. “Why try to get them a 10% raise? They don’t care,they can’t get 20% to vote on contracts, they couldn’t get 30% to vote to decertify us! Let’s keep blowing smoke up their AZZES, they don’t know better!”
However (and I’m NOT FOR DECERTIFYING them) if we get the 30%, it’s showing them we mean business. We’re tired of years of non representation!
now I don’t know if it’ll work or not, but my thought process is, if 30% is met, WE JUST LIT THE LARGEST BON FIRE UNDER THE NRLCAS AZZ THAT THEYVE EVER SEEN! They now will KNOW, we want changes! We demand changes, either DO YOUR JOB, or move over, we’ll get someone who will!
And when the 30% is met, then we can all sit back down, and rehash wether to keep the nrlca, or move on to someone who WILL represent us! THIS 30% isn’t us saying “bye bye nrlca” it’s just saying “we might say bye bye”
this 30% will put the nrlca in its place, showing them we’re tired. But it’s NOT telling them we’re done. Step up, or move over.
Again, I’m not for decertification! I believe, if WE light that bon fire, they’ll know they better prove to us “they’re here for US”, otherwise, next time around, we could do it again, and then vote them out!
We’re already the laughing stock of the nrlca! Let’s not keep them laughing at us! We’re the laughing stock in the po already with wrecks! If we lite that fire under the nrlca, maybe (I doubt it) but maybe, we won’t be the laughing stock any more…..

we DONT have to decertify the nrlca with this 30%. But if 30% isn’t met, I feel we’ll be more doomed than we already are!

 

[Rcflyn]

The man behind the curtain will fix it all.

You mean DBs favorite person? The wizard of oz?

 

[Wilco183]

You mean DBs favorite person? The wizard of oz?

Slim would be a close second. The guy that hit the door and left none far behind.