Route “squaring up” changed my entire route.

[AtomWaffles]

We had a lot of people bust in my office so essentially, management decided to square everyone up seeing as we have A LOT of routes which cross through one another, take bits and pieces way out from where they ought to be, etc. My route did not bust, now I have a completely different route. Like I have 1 street which I share with another route now (so much for “”””””squaring up””””””) that I retained, and that’s it. They didn’t honor my ask of keeping my second half, and now 3 other routes split it up, instead of giving me the chunk that was on another route and having just me out there which makes far more sense. Instead they let a few carriers go in and throw fits about what they did and didn’t want, making for the exact same problem of having a bunch of people taking bits and pieces and crossing over. Somehow, the scheme is even worse than before, and I’m just feeling hopeless, sad and frustrated that I will lose my best customers and have to learn an entirely new route in an ugly area. I guess I’m just hoping that by some miracle this doesn’t go through… anyone in the same boat?

 

[FirstclassPITA]

Not in that boat yet but I could see a similar situation unfurling at our office. It is a fine line to tread where Ideally management listens to carrier input but does what is best for the office instead of trying to please every individual carrier. Too many chefs.

 

[AtomWaffles]

Not in that boat yet but I could see a similar situation unfurling at our office. It is a fine line to tread where Ideally management listens to carrier input but does what is best for the office instead of trying to please every individual carrier. Too many chefs.

Our steward said management basically did the same thing to his route after numerous protests and complaints from him, he called and told me that earlier that there are still 5 people higher who have to clear it and that with the way they picked and chose instead of dividing evenly it might just get kicked back. He also told me the union reps he answers too had 0 to say besides “management can do whatever they want”. There were also a few instances of management forgetting whole streets and leaving them unassigned, unclear if that was ever resolved.

 

[Rt2mailman]

You must retain 50% of your old route when adjustments are made or it’s no longer your route, but someone else’s. If you were a 46-k or less you must be that size when they are done

 

[AtomWaffles]

You must retain 50% of your old route when adjustments are made or it’s no longer your route, but someone else’s. If you were a 46-k or less you must be that size when they are done

I am still a 46k, allegedly. Where does it say this in the contract regarding 50%? I am not the only one in my office who lost 90-100% of their original route.

 

[Worve]

Silver lining new customers to get to know and enjoy.

Our steward said management basically did the same thing to his route after numerous protests and complaints from him, he called and told me that earlier that there are still 5 people higher who have to clear it and that with the way they picked and chose instead of dividing evenly it might just get kicked back. He also told me the union reps he answers too had 0 to say besides “management can do whatever they want”. There were also a few instances of management forgetting whole streets and leaving them unassigned, unclear if that was ever resolved.

if anything is left un assigned it will be kicked back. For your sake pray management did what they always do fubared it somewhere .

 

[psd181]

We had a lot of people bust in my office so essentially, management decided to square everyone up seeing as we have A LOT of routes which cross through one another, take bits and pieces way out from where they ought to be, etc. My route did not bust, now I have a completely different route. Like I have 1 street which I share with another route now (so much for “”””””squaring up””””””) that I retained, and that’s it. They didn’t honor my ask of keeping my second half, and now 3 other routes split it up, instead of giving me the chunk that was on another route and having just me out there which makes far more sense. Instead they let a few carriers go in and throw fits about what they did and didn’t want, making for the exact same problem of having a bunch of people taking bits and pieces and crossing over. Somehow, the scheme is even worse than before, and I’m just feeling hopeless, sad and frustrated that I will lose my best customers and have to learn an entirely new route in an ugly area. I guess I’m just hoping that by some miracle this doesn’t go through… anyone in the same boat?

you get training for the "new" boxes. Article 9 describes it and it's from 1 to 3 days depending upon the number of new boxes.

 

[stingrayiii]

I am still a 46k, allegedly. Where does it say this in the contract regarding 50%? I am not the only one in my office who lost 90-100% of their original route.

How many rts are in your office? And how many where adjusted?
If there was a major change to almost all routes then all of the routes need to be bidded on again.
This happened to us about 19 years ago during a major squaring off where most of the routes had major changes.
On the other note, this is what scared me when they said that local management was going to do the adjustments. They don't know what they are doing and now if this goes through next count WHO KNOWS WHAT THE ROUTES WILL COME BACK AS!

 

[AtomWaffles]

How many rts are in your office? And how many where adjusted?
If there was a major change to almost all routes then all of the routes need to be bidded on again.
This happened to us about 19 years ago during a major squaring off where most of the routes had major changes.
On the other note, this is what scared me when they said that local management was going to do the adjustments. They don't know what they are doing and now if this goes through next count WHO KNOWS WHAT THE ROUTES WILL COME BACK AS!

We have 38 full routes, 2 aux routes. Every route in our office is being “squared up”, so every one is getting new territory, some more than others. At least 5 that I know are in the same boat as me with getting an entirely different route, but I’m sure the number is higher, those are just the ones who have asked about their changes.

 

[Chemado]

With all this squaring up, I imagine new lines of travel were created. Out of curiosity, are there a lot of customers that have to move their box to the other side of the road?

 

[btdtret]

AtomicWaffles et al -- "Route “squaring up” changed my entire route."

-- That creates a big vacuum!

-- While the contract allows a carrier to submit input for route changes, manglement is under obligation to use anything.

-- Don't know if Step 4 ( G06R-4G-C 11258844 ) could be of assistance even though it is non-citable, non-precedent setting. It might generate some thoughts on the "squaring up" of routes.

- the grievance concerned adjusting a rural route that was not in overburdened status.

- in part: rural routes should not be adjusted solely for the purpose of creating equitable route evaluations.

-- Check out Chapter 8 of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), specifically:

- Section 823.16: establish definite boundaries between routes to facilitate distribution and provide a more orderly rural delivery area.

- Section 823.17: Keep address changes to a minimum.

- Section 823.23: Eliminate and avoid duplication of travel.

-- I seem to recall when routes were to be "squared up", a route had to keep a certain ( high ? ) percentage of the original route. ( can't find anything specific in the "files" -- anyone else? )

 

[stingrayiii]

We have 38 full routes, 2 aux routes. Every route in our office is being “squared up”, so every one is getting new territory, some more than others. At least 5 that I know are in the same boat as me with getting an entirely different route, but I’m sure the number is higher, those are just the ones who have asked about their changes.

Then all routes have to be rebid on. Get the union on it.

 

[Rt2mailman]

If you were to have bid on a route and the manager changed 90% of it, you no longer have the route that you bid on. Management can NOT take the route that you bid on away. Changing it more than 50% rounds up to NOT YOUR ROUTE.
Ask your manager if he believes it is fair if he bid/applied for his job because it was a good office , and he was hired for that office. Then his POOM said you will have 3 routes from the office you were hired to do, and now you will have the worst office in the district for the rest of your office. He would have stayed where he was and not applied for that job. It’s the same for rural carriers. There is no reason to change any route more than 50% to “Square it up”. If more than 50% needs to be changed to make it square, then management had already failed for the last several route changes, and it is not the carriers obligation to fix management’s errors. If that drastic of a change needs to be made, then it needs to be done gradually. Over several route changes/squaring ups.

 

[DB.Cooper]

OMG.... I think I might be able to put the Amazing Kreshkin out of business.... I predicted as these route "adjustments" were made.... the peeps who had been crying for them would really be able to see what a $#!+ show RRECS really is.... and lo and behold.... who was right on the $$$$ money???? YES, you're right.... that would be me.... aka... DB.....

 

[neciat]

I'll have more on this later and as much as I hate to say it , notify the union NOW. DO NOT allow the PO to shell game the whole office with respect to territories on ONE route , let alone the whole office. In the first place, there is NO WAY that 38 routes in one office WERE NOT squared up before now. In keeping with the chaos , drama, adversity, and stress which the PO thrives upon, this whole deal is a logistical nightmare. Just a FEW of the elements of which are ; everyone needs to remap -- and I mean remap the WHOLE route. That's 38 regulars and 2 aux. carriers. Then, there are all new labels and the time associated with replacing those. All new edit books as well as DPS changes. Clerks need to learn or, at least, become familiar with the scheme changes. All of the mailers need to be notified so THEIR lists are updated so the carriers won't be handing off, exchanging, etc. the presorts, ADVO / REDPLUM, MONEY PAGES, local circulars, etc. All of the 3982s need to go to the "proper routes". PASS Machine, if you have one, needs to be updated. All new route maps as well as line of travel. There's more but you get the idea. Your union rep. needs to be made aware of all of this and needs to actually be present as well as oversee ANY "adjustemts". I just sure hope that your local union rep. is of this mindset to keep an eye on things.

 

[stingrayiii]

OMG.... I think I might be able to put the Amazing Kreshkin out of business.... I predicted as these route "adjustments" were made.... the peeps who had been crying for them would really be able to see what a $#!+ show RRECS really is.... and lo and behold.... who was right on the $$$$ money???? YES, you're right.... that would be me.... aka... DB.....

You and me both brother. Keep saying how great RRECS is, it will just get worse.

 

[DB.Cooper]

I'll have more on this later and as much as I hate to say it , notify the union NOW. DO NOT allow the PO to shell game the whole office with respect to territories on ONE route , let alone the whole office. In the first place, there is NO WAY that 38 routes in one office WERE NOT squared up before now. In keeping with the chaos , drama, adversity, and stress which the PO thrives upon, this whole deal is a logistical nightmare. Just a FEW of the elements of which are ; everyone needs to remap -- and I mean remap the WHOLE route. That's 38 regulars and 2 aux. carriers. Then, there are all new labels and the time associated with replacing those. All new edit books as well as DPS changes. Clerks need to learn or, at least, become familiar with the scheme changes. All of the mailers need to be notified so THEIR lists are updated so the carriers won't be handing off, exchanging, etc. the presorts, ADVO / REDPLUM, MONEY PAGES, local circulars, etc. All of the 3982s need to go to the "proper routes". PASS Machine, if you have one, needs to be updated. All new route maps as well as line of travel. There's more but you get the idea. Your union rep. needs to be made aware of all of this and needs to actually be present as well as oversee ANY "adjustemts". I just sure hope that your local union rep. is of this mindset to keep an eye on things.

LOOLLOLOLOOLOLLOL.... Sounds like a RRECS.... aka a REAL $#!+ show.....

 

[jsthere723]

You and me both brother. Keep saying how great RRECS is, it will just get worse.

RRECS has nothing to do with this mess . On the contrary . Because of RRECS this issue of gerrymandered routes came to focus . And there is a possibility that it might be solved to some degree.This is due to years , decades of negligence , favoritism , laziness by management mostly local led to this mess . Now that upper management is seeing in real time that all this gerrymandering is costing PO pretty penny. And they are insisting on squaring up . The routes should not have been so out of whack . Local management must have been very complicit in so many incompetency.

 

[gotstamps]

I'll have more on this later and as much as I hate to say it , notify the union NOW. DO NOT allow the PO to shell game the whole office with respect to territories on ONE route , let alone the whole office. In the first place, there is NO WAY that 38 routes in one office WERE NOT squared up before now. In keeping with the chaos , drama, adversity, and stress which the PO thrives upon, this whole deal is a logistical nightmare. Just a FEW of the elements of which are ; everyone needs to remap -- and I mean remap the WHOLE route. That's 38 regulars and 2 aux. carriers. Then, there are all new labels and the time associated with replacing those. All new edit books as well as DPS changes. Clerks need to learn or, at least, become familiar with the scheme changes. All of the mailers need to be notified so THEIR lists are updated so the carriers won't be handing off, exchanging, etc. the presorts, ADVO / REDPLUM, MONEY PAGES, local circulars, etc. All of the 3982s need to go to the "proper routes". PASS Machine, if you have one, needs to be updated. All new route maps as well as line of travel. There's more but you get the idea. Your union rep. needs to be made aware of all of this and needs to actually be present as well as oversee ANY "adjustemts". I just sure hope that your local union rep. is of this mindset to keep an eye on things.

This does happen in some offices due to growing territories whether there is a “Growth Coordinator “ or not.
With the building of Apartment Complexes & neighborhoods, it is not always possible to add to a neighboring route so a smaller route gets the territory or an Aux is created. It takes time to “square up” routes properly & time is not always available. I personally drive around, near, or through 11 other routes. I share multiple streets with many different routes as a single street may expand through multiple sections of a neighborhood or even multiple neighborhoods. My mapping does look goofy

 

[Sunofa]

We had a lot of people bust in my office so essentially, management decided to square everyone up seeing as we have A LOT of routes which cross through one another, take bits and pieces way out from where they ought to be, etc. My route did not bust, now I have a completely different route. Like I have 1 street which I share with another route now (so much for “”””””squaring up””””””) that I retained, and that’s it. They didn’t honor my ask of keeping my second half, and now 3 other routes split it up, instead of giving me the chunk that was on another route and having just me out there which makes far more sense. Instead they let a few carriers go in and throw fits about what they did and didn’t want, making for the exact same problem of having a bunch of people taking bits and pieces and crossing over. Somehow, the scheme is even worse than before, and I’m just feeling hopeless, sad and frustrated that I will lose my best customers and have to learn an entirely new route in an ugly area. I guess I’m just hoping that by some miracle this doesn’t go through… anyone in the same boat?

They are doing that in my office also, some regulars are also crying and trying to coerce management to change it back. The biggest crybabies are getting their way. And now it looks like they are trading 1 dumb thing for another. Management doesn't have a clue what they are doing. And they don't seem to care either.