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Tiredmailady

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Hope you'all survived the holiday. Amazon is getting unbearable,16 straight hours for me. Anyway, 1st question,my PM wants to ride on the route with me and then I come back and do my route. That would be a hard no from me,but,under recks,how is this handled now? If we switch jobs to another federal job,do our benefits carry over? Sorry,three part question. Anyway,our supervisor tells me that they are going to try to force us to buy vans or larger vehicles. Sorry,if Bozo wants to continue using us as modern day slaves,he can stop buying mansions in Florida and provide us his own!!!! Vent over! Thanks for all your help!!!!
 
Hope you'all survived the holiday. Amazon is getting unbearable,16 straight hours for me. Anyway, 1st question,my PM wants to ride on the route with me and then I come back and do my route. That would be a hard no from me,but,under recks,how is this handled now? If we switch jobs to another federal job,do our benefits carry over? Sorry,three part question. Anyway,our supervisor tells me that they are going to try to force us to buy vans or larger vehicles. Sorry,if Bozo wants to continue using us as modern day slaves,he can stop buying mansions in Florida and provide us his own!!!! Vent over! Thanks for all your help!!!!
Our postmaster follows us then when we get back she will ask all the questions. Or if she says she has to ride with me I get package help so that I have some space for her. Try that
 
Although I think they could technically eventually fire you for not providing a pov suitable for the route, it would be pretty hard for them and short sighted anyway. If you are short on subs, casually mention how nice all those packages will look in your pms car once you are gone.
 
Our postmaster follows us then when we get back she will ask all the questions. Or if she says she has to ride with me I get package help so that I have some space for her. Try that
You will not believe this,but our 204 b says that if we get any package help right now that we would have to take an annual day to get paid,even if we are out delivering for 15 hours. Yes I have already contacted the union. Our office is a joke. But,thanks so much for your input.
 
Although I think they could technically eventually fire you for not providing a pov suitable for the route, it would be pretty hard for them and short sighted anyway. If you are short on subs, casually mention how nice all those packages will look in your pms car once you are gone.
Thank God he has a pickup with a huge bed,lol!!!! Anyway,just talked to district union office,they can ask you to buy a bigger vehicle,but they cannot force you. This is what my ADR union rep just told me and she is right on the money usually. Thanks for the info,really appreciate the help!!!!
 
In our contract it says we must provide a vehicle large enough to accommodate the NORMAL VOLUME OF MAIL. The day after the holiday is NOT normal and neither is Monday. It actually says nothing about parcel volume. Jeeps, Subarus, and equivalent cubic foot volumes are considered ADEQUATE. The way the Usps and the NRLCA have agreed to handle 2nd trips is to finish the route first with all that your vehicle will safely carry and go back out to deliver all that didn’t fit, afterwards. Mileage payment for pov drivers, and all get 3 minutes per mile.
It just so happened that the ones that wouldn’t fit ALWAYS ended up being on the part of my route that was farthest away. After continuing payouts for interstate ( high speed and less time) driving to the far reaches of my route, my manager was able to hire Arcs and RCAs to help us with the excessive amounts of parcels. No carrier should be working 15+ hours per day on a route, RCAs can NOT work more than 12 hours per day as per FLSA-A provisions, in other words federal law. When our rcas started bringing back mail and parcels at 12 hours and placing it on the supervisor desk, they figured out a way to hire people. When second trips are done properly the Usps pays out big time. All this extra time goes towards our 2240/2080 and I know of carriers getting $16,000 extra for going over 2240.
We love taking managers with us on the route for inspections.
We have an unwritten policy among the carriers in our office, if a manager gets dizzy and has to take a break, carrier gets $5, throws up, the carrier gets $10, goes to the hospital for dust allergies, dinner at local restaurant. We haven’t added a “prize” for bouncing the managers head into the ceiling of the vehicle, but it has been suggested.
 
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Tiredmailady -- "Anyway, just talked to district union office, they can ask you to buy a bigger vehicle, but they cannot force you."

-- Any routes in the office with a postal provided vehicle?

-- If so, do those routes have to make additional trips for parcels?

-- If so, you can politely tell manglement that as soon as the post office provides larger vehicles for the postal-provided routes, then you will get one!

-- Ask manglement what your route's "normal" mail volume is. And check Section 141.2 of the PO-603 and Section 224.1 of the M-38.

-- Step 4 ( V-2 ) addresses additional trips. If a POV carrier has more than 12 days of additional trips ( not counting the Christmas period ) in any six month period, manglement MAY require the carrier to get a larger vehicle.

- If the carrier is unable to provide a larger vehicle, manglement WILL consider assigning an employer provided vehicle if available.

"You will not believe this, but our 204 b says that if we get any package help right now that we would have to take an annual day to get paid, even if we are out delivering for 15 hours. "

-- Politely ask for documentation / reference.

-- How quickly 204b's forget what it is really like in the trenches.

-- IF your route is technically overburdened per Article 9.2.C.8.a., remind the 204b that the contract provides of assistance to overburdened routes.

-- The 204b could not hack it as a carrier?
 
Rt2mailman -- "We love taking managers with us on the route for inspections."

-- Me too!

-- I'd tell the manager to bring water / snacks as I only have enough for me.

-- Want some air while riding in the jump seat? Bring your own fan.

-- I marked my parcels and had them in order along the left side of the LLV. I'd ask for parcel # when needed. Might as well put them to work.

-- When it was time to reload the mail trays up front, I'd give the rider an option of getting out to stretch or have my butt in the face if they stayed in the jump seat.

-- At least that was back when it was a fun job. ( and yes, I've been out a long while )

-- At one stop, the rider got on the cell phone. So I waited, and waited, and waited. Finally he said I could go. Nope - sorry, cell phones are not to be used in a moving vehicle.
 
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In our contract it says we must provide a vehicle large enough to accommodate the NORMAL VOLUME OF MAIL. The day after the holiday is NOT normal and neither is Monday. It actually says nothing about parcel volume. Jeeps, Subarus, and equivalent cubic foot volumes are considered ADEQUATE. The way the Usps and the NRLCA have agreed to handle 2nd trips is to finish the route first with all that your vehicle will safely carry and go back out to deliver all that didn’t fit, afterwards. Mileage payment for pov drivers, and all get 3 minutes per mile.
It just so happened that the ones that wouldn’t fit ALWAYS ended up being on the part of my route that was farthest away. After continuing payouts for interstate ( high speed and less time) driving to the far reaches of my route, my manager was able to hire Arcs and RCAs to help us with the excessive amounts of parcels. No carrier should be working 15+ hours per day on a route, RCAs can NOT work more than 12 hours per day as per FLSA-A provisions, in other words federal law. When our rcas started bringing back mail and parcels at 12 hours and placing it on the supervisor desk, they figured out a way to hire people. When second trips are done properly the Usps pays out big time. All this extra time goes towards our 2240/2080 and I know of carriers getting $16,000 extra for going over 2240.
We love taking managers with us on the route for inspections.
We have an unwritten policy among the carriers in our office, if a manager gets dizzy and has to take a break, carrier gets $5, throws up, the carrier gets $10, goes to the hospital for dust allergies, dinner at local restaurant. We haven’t added a “prize” for bouncing the managers head into the ceiling of the vehicle, but it has been suggested
Tiredmailady -- "Anyway, just talked to district union office, they can ask you to buy a bigger vehicle, but they cannot force you."

-- Any routes in the office with a postal provided vehicle?

-- If so, do those routes have to make additional trips for parcels?

-- If so, you can politely tell manglement that as soon as the post office provides larger vehicles for the postal-provided routes, then you will get one!

-- Ask manglement what your route's "normal" mail volume is. And check Section 141.2 of the PO-603 and Section 224.1 of the M-38.

-- Step 4 ( V-2 ) addresses additional trips. If a POV carrier has more than 12 days of additional trips ( not counting the Christmas period ) in any six month period, manglement MAY require the carrier to get a larger vehicle.

- If the carrier is unable to provide a larger vehicle, manglement WILL consider assigning an employer provided vehicle if available.

"You will not believe this, but our 204 b says that if we get any package help right now that we would have to take an annual day to get paid, even if we are out delivering for 15 hours. "

-- Politely ask for documentation / reference.

-- How quickly 204b's forget what it is really like in the trenches.

-- IF your route is technically overburdened per Article 9.2.C.8.a., remind the 204b that the contract provides of assistance to overburdened routes.

-- The 204b could not hack it as a carrier?
The 204b's entire family were rural carriers. His Mom and Dad retired before Recks kicked in and his sister rolled up under a desk at a neighboring post office. They all ran like scalded rabbits,as my Granny would say,lol!!!Also,thank you so very much for ALL the very informative info. Your help is so very much appreciated!!!
 
Rt2mailman -- "We love taking managers with us on the route for inspections."

-- Me too!

-- I'd tell the manager to bring water / snacks as I only have enough for me.

-- Want some air while riding in the jump seat? Bring your own fan.

-- I marked my parcels and had them in order along the left side of the LLV. I'd ask for parcel # when needed. Might as well put them to work.

-- When it was time to reload the mail trays up front, I'd give the rider an option of getting out to stretch or have my butt in the face if they stayed in the jump seat.

-- At least that was back when it was a fun job. ( and yes, I've been out a long while )

-- At one stop, the rider got on the cell phone. So I waited, and waited, and waited. Finally he said I could go. Nope - sorry, cell phones are not to be used in a moving vehicle.
Lol,loved this!!! I don't have room in my four door Jeep,no seats left to put his butt in anyway. Guess I could tie him down on top of he insists on riding.
 
If you switch to another federal job, your tsp and fers crosses over.

I don't know if your sick and annual cross over. For example: you want to be an IRS agent. Your last day as a mail slug is Friday and your start date for the new job Saturday, does leave go with you?
 
the usps is way smarter and a step ahead of our union, usps how about we deliver everything everyday? union okay now they flood monday and hurt our rts. the rest of the week , the union lets us down. usps how about we devolop a system where you establish credit for boxes and packages over time instead of immediately? Oh okay union response , then they the usps signs a contract with amazon, making us work for free for 6 months to a year, this bs is just not fair, and our union is like a deer in headlights. they(the usps) are 1 step ahead of them all the time.
 
If you switch to another federal job, your tsp and fers crosses over.

I don't know if your sick and annual cross over. For example: you want to be an IRS agent. Your last day as a mail slug is Friday and your start date for the new job Saturday, does leave go with you?
Thanks. Would we have the same insurance as well?
 
the usps is way smarter and a step ahead of our union, usps how about we deliver everything everyday? union okay now they flood monday and hurt our rts. the rest of the week , the union lets us down. usps how about we devolop a system where you establish credit for boxes and packages over time instead of immediately? Oh okay union response , then they the usps signs a contract with amazon, making us work for free for 6 months to a year, this bs is just not fair, and our union is like a deer in headlights. they(the usps) are 1 step ahead of them all the time.
Amen!!!!!!
 
In our contract it says we must provide a vehicle large enough to accommodate the NORMAL VOLUME OF MAIL. The day after the holiday is NOT normal and neither is Monday. It actually says nothing about parcel volume. Jeeps, Subarus, and equivalent cubic foot volumes are considered ADEQUATE. The way the Usps and the NRLCA have agreed to handle 2nd trips is to finish the route first with all that your vehicle will safely carry and go back out to deliver all that didn’t fit, afterwards. Mileage payment for pov drivers, and all get 3 minutes per mile.
It just so happened that the ones that wouldn’t fit ALWAYS ended up being on the part of my route that was farthest away. After continuing payouts for interstate ( high speed and less time) driving to the far reaches of my route, my manager was able to hire Arcs and RCAs to help us with the excessive amounts of parcels. No carrier should be working 15+ hours per day on a route, RCAs can NOT work more than 12 hours per day as per FLSA-A provisions, in other words federal law. When our rcas started bringing back mail and parcels at 12 hours and placing it on the supervisor desk, they figured out a way to hire people. When second trips are done properly the Usps pays out big time. All this extra time goes towards our 2240/2080 and I know of carriers getting $16,000 extra for going over 2240.
We love taking managers with us on the route for inspections.
We have an unwritten policy among the carriers in our office, if a manager gets dizzy and has to take a break, carrier gets $5, throws up, the carrier gets $10, goes to the hospital for dust allergies, dinner at local restaurant. We haven’t added a “prize” for bouncing the managers head into the ceiling of the vehicle, but it has been suggested.
As an add on, it's a good idea to contact your supervisor for the record at about 9-10 hours and remind them you'll either be bringing back at 12 hours per federal law or they can send assistance. I would also alert them before departure of the expectation of time on the route that day. Record it all for your records. No surprises, everyone's aware. Not the carrier's problem.
 
the usps is way smarter and a step ahead of our union, usps how about we deliver everything everyday? union okay now they flood monday and hurt our rts. the rest of the week , the union lets us down. usps how about we devolop a system where you establish credit for boxes and packages over time instead of immediately? Oh okay union response , then they the usps signs a contract with amazon, making us work for free for 6 months to a year, this bs is just not fair, and our union is like a deer in headlights. they(the usps) are 1 step ahead of them all the time.
The union nor the Usps had anything to do with the choices for values of Rrecs, and neither group can change any of those values. This was strictly designed by the engineers after studying routes for a few years. I don’t believe they completely understood that some of the carriers were casing DPS and not taking it to the street, hence 86 pieces/minute. And carriers running parcels and delivering like throw and go carriers didn’t help the study either.
 
The union nor the Usps had anything to do with the choices for values of Rrecs, and neither group can change any of those values. This was strictly designed by the engineers after studying routes for a few years. I don’t believe they completely understood that some of the carriers were casing DPS and not taking it to the street, hence 86 pieces/minute. And carriers running parcels and delivering like throw and go carriers didn’t help the study either.
Every mou about rrecs always ends with mutually agreed upon terms or some such wording. I surely hope our standards never get changed to lesser amount, but I wouldn’t count on it either.
 
The union nor the Usps had anything to do with the choices for values of Rrecs, and neither group can change any of those values. This was strictly designed by the engineers after studying routes for a few years. I don’t believe they completely understood that some of the carriers were casing DPS and not taking it to the street, hence 86 pieces/minute. And carriers running parcels and delivering like throw and go carriers didn’t help the study either.

It's true that the engineers preformed a flawed study, carriers were even forbidden to tell them about situations they didn't factor in, or even know about.......After the incomplete engineered report, the USPS and the NRLCA met privately and changed all kinds of things .....the craft was kept in the dark about this "process.". Even after that corrupt process, RRECS was still incomplete AND to this day lacks the promised transparency.
 
In our contract it says we must provide a vehicle large enough to accommodate the NORMAL VOLUME OF MAIL. The day after the holiday is NOT normal and neither is Monday. It actually says nothing about parcel volume. Jeeps, Subarus, and equivalent cubic foot volumes are considered ADEQUATE. #2 The way the Usps and the NRLCA have agreed to handle 2nd trips is to finish the route first with all that your vehicle will safely carry and go back out to deliver all that didn’t fit, afterwards. Mileage payment for pov drivers, and all get 3 minutes per mile.
It just so happened that the ones that wouldn’t fit ALWAYS ended up being on the part of my route that was farthest away. After continuing payouts for interstate ( high speed and less time) driving to the far reaches of my route, my manager was able to hire Arcs and RCAs to help us with the excessive amounts of parcels. No carrier should be working 15+ hours per day on a route, RCAs can NOT work more than 12 hours per day as per FLSA-A provisions, in other words federal law. When our rcas started bringing back mail and parcels at 12 hours and placing it on the supervisor desk, they figured out a way to hire people. When second trips are done properly the Usps pays out big time. All this extra time goes towards our 2240/2080 and I know of carriers getting $16,000 extra for going over 2240.
We love taking managers with us on the route for inspections.
We have an unwritten policy among the carriers in our office, if a manager gets dizzy and has to take a break, carrier gets $5, throws up, the carrier gets $10, goes to the hospital for dust allergies, dinner at local restaurant. We haven’t added a “prize” for bouncing the managers head into the ceiling of the vehicle, but it has been suggested.

I'll highlight and talk about it.

I laughed at this when people were telling my Buick LeSabre wasn't adequate. I was it is but when you give 3 bags of dog food any vehicle becomes inadequate real quick.

#2 I just want an explanation from someone that is smarter than me.

So how come 2nd trip for POV get extra mileage and 3 mins a mile while a DETOUR on a route only gets mileage??? Especially a detour that last less than a month. Are they not basically the same thing? One is leaving the route to get more stuff while other is leaving the route to get to house another way.
 
What you are calling a detour is actually called a deviation in our contract. Not the same as a detour (only supposed to be used for express mail to get there by 6:00 pm, not common anymore.
Construction causing you to deviate from your route has always only changed evaluations after 30 days, but back dates it to the first day. Extra miles driven due to construction that total miles of the route and deviation, equalling over 40 miles is payable anytime for Pov drivers. Second trips are 3 minutes/mile for everyone but mileage payments for all pov drivers that again have a total day’s mileage over 40
 
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