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It is time to disband this union. They are not working for us.

wittyinventor

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I have never witnessed a more corrupt organization in my life, between the post office and the unions that represent us, they are not doing their job. I don’t get it every time we have a negotiation or contract. We lose money and we’re already not getting paid enough.. I’m done with it. I am currently talking with the Teamster Union and trying to figure out where we go next but this crap has to end.
 
I have never witnessed a more corrupt organization in my life, between the post office and the unions that represent us, they are not doing their job. I don’t get it every time we have a negotiation or contract. We lose money and we’re already not getting paid enough.. I’m done with it. I am currently talking with the Teamster Union and trying to figure out where we go next but this crap has to end.
I’m done with the union. I was going to leave last December but forgot to send my forms.

But I printed everything yesterday. Getting them in order and putting them in my desk at work, if I’m even still here. 🤞 been job searching, hopefully I can find the job of my dreams. Monday-Friday 8-4 no weekends or OT required.
 
I share your feelings. Signing the MOU allowing regulars to work other routes and Sundays again without any more than time and a half is a really bad sign. I am hopeful for a leadership change at the national convention. If that doesn’t happen I also will be looking to leave the union.
 
I honestly don't have confidence that the union can really perform much differently. Leadership is sympathetic to post office financial losses, and to them it makes sense that our craft has to help with stemming that, especially since mail volume is declining. ALL of USPS senior management is from the city side, and knows only that craft. They cater to city as they're the largest and most visible by far. Every PR piece for public consumption shows uniforms, LLV's, satchels, things that most rural carriers don't have. Every contact I have within the post office believes that we are moving closer to city methods of operation (percent to standard, maximum time standards for every function from load to deliver, minimize office time and take everything to the street, sharing routes on heavy days with other regulars, etc)

One huge problem is that we are salaried employees, who will be treated as hourly. I'd venture to say with much more of this implemented we have a great case to present to Federal DOL Wage and Hour that we are being micromanaged as hourly employees and not freedom of operation like salaried and they issue a directive to force hourly on the rural craft.

The city craft is GUARANTEED eight hours, ODWL for those who want overtime, so any contractual changes or route realignments do NOT affect their income for the most part. City uses fewer part timers, attrition by retirement to maintain work and compensation for carriers. They don't HAVE to give anything back at contract negotiations.

Any close to realistic proposal any of us has, when met with union leadership or board members, is shrugged off as "the post office won't ever agree to that so it's pointless to even pursue that"

A few priorities "off the top of my head" for our union to not consider (because they never will):
--merge tables into one and increase compensation for lower levels too
--pay RCA's hourly and start their pay $2-4 higher to get people who can follow directions
--align route lines of travel predicated upon safety and customer service instead of just financial
--open the "engineered standards" that are top secret and allow for review and revision of the most hideous and unrealistic ones. (86 ppm of DPS? under 3 minutes to fuel? to start)
--make the USPS system (RADAR, etc) accurate and transparent so carriers can MATCH their letters and flats with what they actually have at their case
--STOP the practice of a carrier making one mistake and they get their file papered for it. Force change of negativity by management which is forced upon THEM from the top

The core problem is we are dealing with top tier post office executives, and their subordinates down through District, who hate their employees and believe most are stealing time or even paper clips. It's tough to change an environment that has such a huge dose of negativity.
 
I honestly don't have confidence that the union can really perform much differently. Leadership is sympathetic to post office financial losses, and to them it makes sense that our craft has to help with stemming that, especially since mail volume is declining. ALL of USPS senior management is from the city side, and knows only that craft. They cater to city as they're the largest and most visible by far. Every PR piece for public consumption shows uniforms, LLV's, satchels, things that most rural carriers don't have. Every contact I have within the post office believes that we are moving closer to city methods of operation (percent to standard, maximum time standards for every function from load to deliver, minimize office time and take everything to the street, sharing routes on heavy days with other regulars, etc)

One huge problem is that we are salaried employees, who will be treated as hourly. I'd venture to say with much more of this implemented we have a great case to present to Federal DOL Wage and Hour that we are being micromanaged as hourly employees and not freedom of operation like salaried and they issue a directive to force hourly on the rural craft.

The city craft is GUARANTEED eight hours, ODWL for those who want overtime, so any contractual changes or route realignments do NOT affect their income for the most part. City uses fewer part timers, attrition by retirement to maintain work and compensation for carriers. They don't HAVE to give anything back at contract negotiations.

Any close to realistic proposal any of us has, when met with union leadership or board members, is shrugged off as "the post office won't ever agree to that so it's pointless to even pursue that"

A few priorities "off the top of my head" for our union to not consider (because they never will):
--merge tables into one and increase compensation for lower levels too
--pay RCA's hourly and start their pay $2-4 higher to get people who can follow directions
--align route lines of travel predicated upon safety and customer service instead of just financial
--open the "engineered standards" that are top secret and allow for review and revision of the most hideous and unrealistic ones. (86 ppm of DPS? under 3 minutes to fuel? to start)
--make the USPS system (RADAR, etc) accurate and transparent so carriers can MATCH their letters and flats with what they actually have at their case
--STOP the practice of a carrier making one mistake and they get their file papered for it. Force change of negativity by management which is forced upon THEM from the top

The core problem is we are dealing with top tier post office executives, and their subordinates down through District, who hate their employees and believe most are stealing time or even paper clips. It's tough to change an environment that has such a huge dose of negativity.
I nominate YOU to testify before Congress. Actually, scratch that. No testifying because all they do is ask "loaded" questions. YOU just go there and tell 'em like it is !!! Don't let THEM even make a peep. After YOU are done , which would take several days , they would all be just sitting there tanning their tonsils.
 
I’m done with the union. I was going to leave last December but forgot to send my forms.

But I printed everything yesterday. Getting them in order and putting them in my desk at work, if I’m even still here. 🤞 been job searching, hopefully I can find the job of my dreams. Monday-Friday 8-4 no weekends or OT required.
Is there a step by step (hopefully written as though the reader is 5 years old) guide on how to properly do this? I’ve tried looking on Reddit and hilariously the somewhat informative comments are all downvoted and insults and smarmy remarks are upvoted to the top. I would really appreciate one, because the process is incredibly tedious, somewhat confusing and can only be done for a very short window once a year. I missed my window last year, and I will never ever make that mistake again.
 
Is there a step by step (hopefully written as though the reader is 5 years old) guide on how to properly do this? I’ve tried looking on Reddit and hilariously the somewhat informative comments are all downvoted and insults and smarmy remarks are upvoted to the top. I would really appreciate one, because the process is incredibly tedious, somewhat confusing and can only be done for a very short window once a year. I missed my window last year, and I will never ever make that mistake again.
Post in thread 'Leaving union help'
https://www.ruralmailtalk.com/threads/leaving-union-help.4971/post-59645

This is probably the most detailed information you’ll find.
I’ve read it repeatedly but still worry I’ll do it wrong
 
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I’m done with the union. I was going to leave last December but forgot to send my forms.

But I printed everything yesterday. Getting them in order and putting them in my desk at work, if I’m even still here. 🤞 been job searching, hopefully I can find the job of my dreams. Monday-Friday 8-4 no weekends or OT required.
It can be done....I work 8:30-5 with leave early options for Friday...you just gotta look, and find a decent employer. Hard to find nowadays....and dont look at the po...LOL!!!😎🤠
 
I also believe the union is worth less than nothing. At this time I think the greatest value it gives is the formality of going through the steps to make changes, While this is not much if forces what little visibility there is.

I think just randomly getting rid of the union will just lead to more of what we are getting just a little faster.

If we want to change the situation we need to be able to organize.
 
I have never witnessed a more corrupt organization in my life, between the post office and the unions that represent us, they are not doing their job. I don’t get it every time we have a negotiation or contract. We lose money and we’re already not getting paid enough.. I’m done with it. I am currently talking with the Teamster Union and trying to figure out where we go next but this crap has to end.
YOU FORGOT THE WORKING CONDITIONS TANK EVERY TIME ALSO GET READY FOR THE NEXT CONTRACT DECREASE
 
I nominate YOU to testify before Congress. Actually, scratch that. No testifying because all they do is ask "loaded" questions. YOU just go there and tell 'em like it is !!! Don't let THEM even make a peep. After YOU are done , which would take several days , they would all be just sitting there tanning their tonsils.
I'd appreciate an opportunity to meet with Congress, top USPS officials, the Union President, the PRC.

I met with the Congressman in charge of the post office for several hours years ago, with a PowerPoint presentation to fix much of what was wrong at the time. His response was "good thoughts, but the city union won't allow any of it to happen because they have guaranteed employment and they have the power within the post office"

Congress isn't interested in fixing anything. They're only supportive of us because they don't want an issue that stands in the way of their re-election.
 
I have never witnessed a more corrupt organization in my life, between the post office and the unions that represent us, they are not doing their job. I don’t get it every time we have a negotiation or contract. We lose money and we’re already not getting paid enough.. I’m done with it. I am currently talking with the Teamster Union and trying to figure out where we go next but this crap has to end.
I tell everyone that the Lizard People have taken over the post office. That's the only explanation I have.
 
I honestly don't have confidence that the union can really perform much differently. Leadership is sympathetic to post office financial losses, and to them it makes sense that our craft has to help with stemming that, especially since mail volume is declining. ALL of USPS senior management is from the city side, and knows only that craft. They cater to city as they're the largest and most visible by far. Every PR piece for public consumption shows uniforms, LLV's, satchels, things that most rural carriers don't have. Every contact I have within the post office believes that we are moving closer to city methods of operation (percent to standard, maximum time standards for every function from load to deliver, minimize office time and take everything to the street, sharing routes on heavy days with other regulars, etc)

One huge problem is that we are salaried employees, who will be treated as hourly. I'd venture to say with much more of this implemented we have a great case to present to Federal DOL Wage and Hour that we are being micromanaged as hourly employees and not freedom of operation like salaried and they issue a directive to force hourly on the rural craft.

The city craft is GUARANTEED eight hours, ODWL for those who want overtime, so any contractual changes or route realignments do NOT affect their income for the most part. City uses fewer part timers, attrition by retirement to maintain work and compensation for carriers. They don't HAVE to give anything back at contract negotiations.

Any close to realistic proposal any of us has, when met with union leadership or board members, is shrugged off as "the post office won't ever agree to that so it's pointless to even pursue that"

A few priorities "off the top of my head" for our union to not consider (because they never will):
--merge tables into one and increase compensation for lower levels too
--pay RCA's hourly and start their pay $2-4 higher to get people who can follow directions
--align route lines of travel predicated upon safety and customer service instead of just financial
--open the "engineered standards" that are top secret and allow for review and revision of the most hideous and unrealistic ones. (86 ppm of DPS? under 3 minutes to fuel? to start)
--make the USPS system (RADAR, etc) accurate and transparent so carriers can MATCH their letters and flats with what they actually have at their case
--STOP the practice of a carrier making one mistake and they get their file papered for it. Force change of negativity by management which is forced upon THEM from the top

The core problem is we are dealing with top tier post office executives, and their subordinates down through District, who hate their employees and believe most are stealing time or even paper clips. It's tough to change an environment that has such a huge dose of negativity.
I agree for the most part about everything you said. Here I think is where the difference comes in with the word CRAFT. Rural and city are similar but still very different so yes both should be on the clock just like all the crafts. We as rural carrier craft should have different guide lines just like all the crafts do that part shouldn't change. I believe we should be guaranteed UP TO 8 hours a day with a hourly wage that can with stand up to a 6, 7, or 12 hour a day pay with overtime option. A heavy city rt may have 200 customers where we have 1300 a day. We have rts over 100 miles a day driving where they may have 2 miles. We have to keep the options of how we work our mail. We are very different crafts but we should be hourly just like all the crafts! Rca will fill in our gaps if they want me off the street in 8 hours let rca take the difference or if my day is good use them on other rts. Etc. The challenge will be that Management will have to learn to manage. They will need to learn how to read the volumes and know what each rt and carrier can achieve each day. Being a hourly paid employee will dramatically reduce stress for our craft it will level the playing field and we will be paid fairly everyday. No worries of 2080/2240 no cheated away overtime no 6 months surveys to trick us into a lower pay etc. We clock in we work whatever they decided to give us that day we clock out. Simply
 
They will need to learn how to read the volumes and know what each rt and carrier can achieve each day
I agree with you. The thing is. We all know this management tool will absolutely be provided to the supervisors if we go hourly. Why in the world are they incapable of supplying this type of tool currently? I can't, in any way shape or form validate my current daily times to management or myself. We are working blind to any expectation of time standard daily. HOW freaking fair is that to a group.of individuals that are having future compensation pay based off of time standards of their volume and performance. If the union would fight for anything, that component is the absolute most important. Our future pay evaluation is one big guessing game. We should have the transparency daily to understand how the current volume is fluctuating toward out future compensation. The lack of this is the main reason I want hourly. I am tired of over performing to receive the same pay if I underperformed. Why run like an idiot flying through volumes daily when the pay just might be the same if I took my time and performed without stress. The sad thing is, I don't understand what a normal pace is and they won't help me by providing work/time expectations for my daily volumes. It isn't fair.
 
I agree with you. The thing is. We all know this management tool will absolutely be provided to the supervisors if we go hourly. Why in the world are they incapable of supplying this type of tool currently? I can't, in any way shape or form validate my current daily times to management or myself. We are working blind to any expectation of time standard daily. HOW freaking fair is that to a group.of individuals that are having future compensation pay based off of time standards of their volume and performance. If the union would fight for anything, that component is the absolute most important. Our future pay evaluation is one big guessing game. We should have the transparency daily to understand how the current volume is fluctuating toward out future compensation. The lack of this is the main reason I want hourly. I am tired of over performing to receive the same pay if I underperformed. Why run like an idiot flying through volumes daily when the pay just might be the same if I took my time and performed without stress. The sad thing is, I don't understand what a normal pace is and they won't help me by providing work/time expectations for my daily volumes. It isn't fair.
STOP RUNNING.

it's not worth it to your body nor your vehicle. i stopped caring what the PO thought a long time ago. i have a pace and stick to it. as someone on here used to say: some days i get the bear, some days the bear gets me.
 
STOP RUNNING.

it's not worth it to your body nor your vehicle. i stopped caring what the PO thought a long time ago. i have a pace and stick to it. as someone on here used to say: some days i get the bear, some days the bear gets me.
I once told the pm when he was trying to rush me. I have two speeds,if you don’t like this one I know you won’t like the other one.
 
STOP RUNNING.

it's not worth it to your body nor your vehicle. i stopped caring what the PO thought a long time ago. i have a pace and stick to it. as someone on here used to say: some days i get the bear, some days the bear gets me.
I am honestly not even sure if I am running. I am the slowest in my office. I try and take breaks and lunches to give my body and mind a break. My point is, we nor local management understand what the volumes mean in terms if time. Some days are light some days are heavy. There should be some daily understanding of what it all means so we can properly perform. I don't want to give them excess performance at the expense of my body and mind. There needs to be an understanding of expectation through the standard time. God forbid if this is acknowledged and tracked that a Carrier is successful at achieving a grand performance history might that instigate them awarding and acknowledging superior effort of that carrier in some way?
 
I like to fight, I like the power to tell USPS to shove it up their....

I do what I can on the local level. It gives me a creative outlet to express myself.

I like the union in that sense. Y'all can read my last post in the resolution changes thread. Specially term limits. Let's clean up the finer points and all submit changes for next year
 
I like to fight, I like the power to tell USPS to shove it up their....

I do what I can on the local level. It gives me a creative outlet to express myself.

I like the union in that sense. Y'all can read my last post in the resolution changes thread. Specially term limits. Let's clean up the finer points and all submit changes for next year
Term limits for all
 
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