48k bust and routes at 40k and under--new eval

[gotstamps]

they cut us all down to "43k" last year and then we lost amazon a month later. Somehow a few carriers still came back as 47 and 48k this weekend. So that means they get backpay for the last year since they were never really actually 43's?

Nope. The MOU only pertained to those routes cut in early 2024 that had the MMS results implemented. Routes were over-evaluated & under-evaluated. Once they were back to the Adjustment evaluation, Letter Of Demands were sent out as well as back payments.

 

[Rural-life-0323]

alright, someone managed to hit a high 48k this morning (not sure HOW after cuts then losing amazon) , I went from 43 to 40...still waiting to hear everyone's numbers...but the question is, when they have to cut 48k route, would it go to regulars that went below 43 or would it go to auxiliary? which is priority

You would get territory if your route is next to the 48K. If the 48K is on the north side of town and you're on the south side a miles away you won't get territory from them. It has to make sense. However if the adjustment to the 48k makes a chain reaction where they have to adjust several routes to make them all work you could pick something up.

As far as an aux route they can be dissolved but not simply just to bring your hours up. If you drop below an H then they can take from the Aux route. Bringing you from a 40K to a 43K isn't reason to pull from the Aux.

 

[jsthere723]

The USPS and NRLCA signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) in November 2024 to address territorial route adjustments, freezing evaluations on adjusted routes until 52 weeks of data are recorded. This measure protects carriers by ensuring more accurate, stabilized evaluations. It also provides retroactive pay corrections to October 19, 2024, for affected routes.

That was for one specific adjustment they did where they didn’t freeze after cut . With this MOU came the freezing process and thereby protecting all the associated routes for 52+ week till unfrozen. The mms we get unfrozen there is no protection any more. It lands wherever it lands

 

[All Saints Day]

How long does it usually take after a MMS and a route goes up to a 48k to get word from district that the route will be cut?

We had 2 routes go up to a 48K in a small 4 route office. My route went up to 47 last fall and never heard anything about it being cut. Now it’s gone up to 48. If I don’t hear anything by the end of April can I assume I’ll make it to the next MMS without being cut?

 

[mr postman]

I could be wrong but why would they add to a 43k route when there cutting 48k routes down to 43k routes
my situation is I've been way over burdened 48k for over a year I asked the post master can they make another route, I'm kinda dying here with all these amazon packages, he said nope not until your on a list and I don't see you on the list, I know what kind of list he's on lol , so I went to plan B I can retire in less than 2 years so I'm just going to get my high 3 on this last over burdened year or so even if I'm working some hours for free. 300 dollars a month or so added to my pension will be worth it.

 

[Sunofa]

alright, someone managed to hit a high 48k this morning (not sure HOW after cuts then losing amazon) , I went from 43 to 40...still waiting to hear everyone's numbers...but the question is, when they have to cut 48k route, would it go to regulars that went below 43 or would it go to auxiliary? which is priority

In my office they cheat and lie, they enter in false info. Many routes have shot back up to their evaluations prior to being cut 2 years ago. They sit on EOS time sometimes nearing an hour. Start load when they are putting spurs in order. Use trips to door dozens of times per day even though their packages are down and they finish earlier than ever. Yet my route which has increased in packages, stays the same at a 44K. The other routes are smaller than mine. I do more work for the same money. Nice guys do finish last.

 

[EthelAnne]

In my office they cheat and lie, they enter in false info. Many routes have shot back up to their evaluations prior to being cut 2 years ago. They sit on EOS time sometimes nearing an hour. Start load when they are putting spurs in order. Use trips to door dozens of times per day even though their packages are down and they finish earlier than ever. Yet my route which has increased in packages, stays the same at a 44K. The other routes are smaller than mine. I do more work for the same money. Nice guys do finish last.

Get away with what you can get away with.

 

[Sunofa]

Get away with what you can get away with.

They are getting away with it so far.

 

[Rural-life-0323]

How long does it usually take after a MMS and a route goes up to a 48k to get word from district that the route will be cut?

We had 2 routes go up to a 48K in a small 4 route office. My route went up to 47 last fall and never heard anything about it being cut. Now it’s gone up to 48. If I don’t hear anything by the end of April can I assume I’ll make it to the next MMS without being cut?

I'm in the same boat. I'm currently frozen and I am supposed to make it to the August MMS since they have to have 52 weeks worth of data. By then I'm hoping they won't adjust me until next year due to the elections and peak season. I'm also hoping I drop below 47 at the next MMS once the 52 weeks is considered. The estimates they are using is not accurate since my volume is low.

My understanding from a couple months ago at our union meeting is that they were transitioning the power back to the local offices to make the cuts. I was also told that they don't have to do it if there is no getting back late and you haven't exceeded 12 hours over the max amount a 48K allows. It will be up to the local offices.

Best thing to do is keep your head down, but be ready in case they do it. If your going over all the time you could force the matter with a grievance, assuming you aren't frozen. You can also force them to send you help if you are frozen and can't get it adjusted.

 

[tonsillitis]

Retroactive pay, does that mean if my currently frozen route 43K, becomes unfrozen next September, and it comes back at a 45K, will I get 2 hours of back pay all the way back to when it was frozen on May 19, 2025? At the same time, if it comes back as a 41K, do they take back money all the way back to May 19, 2025?

2hrs back pay would be nice. i hope my 43k goes up.. im a shy of few mins to 44k.

 

[hockey94]

In my office they cheat and lie, they enter in false info. Many routes have shot back up to their evaluations prior to being cut 2 years ago. They sit on EOS time sometimes nearing an hour. Start load when they are putting spurs in order. Use trips to door dozens of times per day even though their packages are down and they finish earlier than ever. Yet my route which has increased in packages, stays the same at a 44K. The other routes are smaller than mine. I do more work for the same money. Nice guys do finish last.

Mgt certainly appears to be ASLEEP.

 

[nlsal209]

The PM handed me this letter today!



We talked about possible route cut since my new evla is 48k!

Background;

Small office

One route

I work under evaluation!

Is it worth it for management to create an auxiliary route, have my sub work it, provide an llv or pay mileage, probably add a new build because not sure if both routes fit, safety hazard, and probably hire another sub for me?

 

[Missed a scan]

The PM handed me this letter today!

View attachment 16188

We talked about possible route cut since my new evla is 48k!

Background;

Small office

One route

I work under evaluation!

Is it worth it for management to create an auxiliary route, have my sub work it, provide an llv or pay mileage, probably add a new build because not sure if both routes fit, safety hazard, and probably hire another sub for me?

Here is my guess..............

There will not be a new aux route created just for that 1 route office. What will happen if you do indeed get cut, is to cut out some of your route out and give it to a route from another office. So somebody from another office will have a parent/child route and you and your sub will stay on your route.

 

[Rogtar]

The PM handed me this letter today!

View attachment 16188

We talked about possible route cut since my new evla is 48k!

Background;

Small office

One route

I work under evaluation!

Is it worth it for management to create an auxiliary route, have my sub work it, provide an llv or pay mileage, probably add a new build because not sure if both routes fit, safety hazard, and probably hire another sub for me?

Worth it, probably not; contractual, absolutely. Since they wrote the note im guessing it's gonna happen regardless of anyone's feelings to the matter. Someone said something about a parent/child and i have no idea how those work so that may be what happens.

 

[nlsal209]

I’ll keep you guys/gals posted!

Thanks!

 

[Black Magic]

I received the same letter today as a 47k.

 

[Sunofa]

The PM handed me this letter today!

View attachment 16188

We talked about possible route cut since my new evla is 48k!

Background;

Small office

One route

I work under evaluation!

Is it worth it for management to create an auxiliary route, have my sub work it, provide an llv or pay mileage, probably add a new build because not sure if both routes fit, safety hazard, and probably hire another sub for me?

If you stay under evaluation then there isn't a problem right? It sounds like route cuts are in retaliation for something sometimes, like a reprimand.
What about the ones that work off the clock everyday to keep their time hidden from record?

 

[nlsal209]

If you stay under evaluation then there isn't a problem right? It sounds like route cuts are in retaliation for something sometimes, like a reprimand.
What about the ones that work off the clock everyday to keep their time hidden from record?

I work under evaluation!

 

[oi veh.]

If you stay under evaluation then there isn't a problem right?

I work under evaluation!

doesn't matter.

the contractual language states that 47K and 48Ks are considered overburdened and are interim evaluations.

 

[nlsal209]

doesn't matter.

the contractual language states that 47K and 48Ks are considered overburdened and are interim evaluations.

Quick question,

What’s the point of a 47-48k if you can’t keep it?!

Why put it on the salary chart?!