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Rural carriers are overpaid, you're always done early!

BillyBoi

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USPS has all the waste that comes with being considered a govt organization, but somehow the efficiency and accuracy that rivals private/public competitors. On average we have 7 managers for every 1 craft employee. Yet accountability is at an all time low across the board. Despite the bloat of the managerial class there is somehow "less work to be done" and we all need to be faster, and in the rural carrier case they are searching for any and every reason to pay us less.

If there is less craft work to be done and accountability is at an all time low then why are we not downsizing the managerial employees?

Companies across the USA used data from COVID to find out just how far they could push the "essential workers" across the country both in terms of how much work and how few employees they can squeeze to do said work. Look at just how few employees you see at retail locations these days. How many stores are open 24 hours anymore and if they are, how many employees are actually there?

I think Amazon was a similar story at USPS for the rural craft.

Day after day we were casing, organizing, loading, maintaining, and delivering 70+ hour routes. Either you got faster, accepted the fact you were going to be at work 10+ hours every day, or you quit/retired (Cheaper than a buyout for sure). It was truly sink or swim, these peak seasons were a baptism by fire. I don't think it was a coincidence that instead of increasing the pay scale above a 48k or granting additional days off under an additional letter scale the only recourse was to cut the routes down. This abuse went on for years at offices and when cuts finally happened, Amazon decided it needed to start using a branded group of contractors do deliver its packages.

So now we have routes that are about 60% the size of what was being delivered, but the carriers now have an outstanding skill-set and affinity they didn't have before. Most people don't even remember what it actually was like to deliver a true 43k. From what I've seen, if you were delivering a 12-13 hour route in 8 or 9 hours you are now delivering an 8 hour route in 5-6 hours when applying that same skill level.

The same managers that saw us go over evaluation every single day and barely get by now see many of us getting done under 8 hours. They didn't live through the paychecks that never changed even though the job was more and more physically demanding. The reality is that without all the chaos of excessive work hours and packages they are the ones that now have no work to do. When things aren't on fire, you don't need 5 people standing around to put out fires. Naturally, all that extra time has them looking for a fire to put out that isn't there. Their new fight is that rural carriers are now cheating the PO because they used to squeeze more work out of us for less.

Amazon "left" and many are now content or have adjusted to the volume and the size of their routes. So now they want to lie about the size of our routes and make changes to agreements after the fact. The latest I've heard is they are going to use the fact that many of us get done early in our evaluations against us. No one can say how for sure yet, but I've heard musings of adjusting the standard of the route to match the carriers speed or force us to fill in time on other routes "for free" until we match the worked time our eval calls for. And if you were getting done early they would issue discipline against you for milking time using the routes historical time data against you. The reality is that management knows their positions and jobs are where all the current waste is and are looking for any way to take that money out of our pockets so they can keep their jobs that allow them to sit on their phone and in zoom calls all day because it beats doing real work.
 
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USPS has all the waste that comes with being considered a govt organization, but somehow the efficiency and accuracy that rivals private/public competitors. On average we have 7 managers for every 1 craft employee. Yet accountability is at an all time low across the board. Despite the bloat of the managerial class there is somehow "less work to be done" and we all need to be faster, and in the rural carrier case they are searching for any and every reason to pay us less.

If there is less craft work to be done and accountability is at an all time low then why are we not downsizing the managerial employees?

Companies across the USA used data from COVID to find out just how far they could push the "essential workers" across the country both in terms of how much work and how few employees they can squeeze to do said work. Look at just how few employees you see at retail locations these days. How many stores are open 24 hours anymore and if they are, how many employees are actually there?

I think Amazon was a similar story at USPS for the rural craft.

Day after day we were casing, organizing, loading, maintaining, and delivering 70+ hour routes. Either you got faster, accepted the fact you were going to be at work 10+ hours every day, or you quit/retired (Cheaper than a buyout for sure). It was truly sink or swim, these peak seasons were a baptism by fire. I don't think it was a coincidence that instead of increasing the pay scale above a 48k or granting additional days off under an additional letter scale the only recourse was to cut the routes down. This abuse went on for years at offices and when cuts finally happened, Amazon decided it needed to start using a branded group of contractors do deliver its packages.

So now we have routes that are about 60% the size of what was being delivered, but the carriers now have an outstanding skill-set and affinity they didn't have before. Most people don't even remember what it actually was like to deliver a true 43k. From what I've seen, if you were delivering a 12-13 hour route in 8 or 9 hours you are now delivering an 8 hour route in 5-6 hours when applying that same skill level.

The same managers that saw us go over evaluation every single day and barely get by now see many of us getting done under 8 hours. They didn't live through the paychecks that never changed even though the job was more and more physically demanding. The reality is that without all the chaos of excessive work hours and packages they are the ones that now have no work to do. When things aren't on fire, you don't need 5 people standing around to put out fires. Naturally, all that extra time has them looking for a fire to put out that isn't there. Their new fight is that rural carriers are now cheating the PO because they used to squeeze more work out of us for less.

Amazon "left" and many are now content or have adjusted to the volume and the size of their routes. So now they want to lie about the size of our routes and make changes to agreements after the fact. The latest I've heard is they are going to use the fact that many of us get done early in our evaluations against us. No one can say how for sure yet, but I've heard musings of adjusting the standard of the route to match the carriers speed or force us to fill in time on other routes "for free" until we match the worked time our eval calls for. And if you were getting done early they would issue discipline against you for milking time using the routes historical time data against you. The reality is that management knows their positions and jobs are where all the current waste is and are looking for any way to take that money out of our pockets so they can keep their jobs that allow them to sit on their phone and in zoom calls all day because it beats doing real work.
which is exactly why those of us who could see this coming when RRECs first raised its fanged head started adjusting our work habits and "demonstrating our ability".

my standard of living won't go down, because i have proven that it takes what it takes to get my route done. i refuse to rush to meet some arbitrary standard a bean pusher has made up.

so there's that.
 
Management won’t win this game . They will just make the experience miserable. People will adjust just like city carriers
Yea if the city carriers in my area can make 1 tray of dps and 40 packages take 8 hours then they are going to be in a world of hurt trying to leverage anything on the rural craft in my area considering we have about 3-4 times as much.
 
That’s a recipe for surefire disaster. Anybody remembers domino’s pizza experience?
Your unrelated analogy is not even remotely comparable.🤦‍♂️

Dominio's offered a blanket warranty. Our only warranty is on Priority Express mail. 🤔

Additionally, it's undeniable that some carriers get finished faster than standards require, and no rural carrier gets a bonus for exemplary, expedient service. No "recipe" here, just a statement of fact. 😉
 
Your unrelated analogy is not even remotely comparable.🤦‍♂️

Dominio's offered a blanket warranty. Our only warranty is on Priority Express mail. 🤔

Additionally, it's undeniable that some carriers get finished faster than standards require, and no rural carrier gets a bonus for exemplary, expedient service. No "recipe" here, just a statement of fact. 😉
Your unrelated analogy is not even remotely comparable.🤦‍♂️

Dominio's offered a blanket warranty. Our only warranty is on Priority Express mail. 🤔

Additionally, it's undeniable that some carriers get finished faster than standards require, and no rural carrier gets a bonus for exemplary, expedient service. No "recipe" here, just a statement of fact. 😉
Not comparable!!!! Hmmm
 
Our offices average one manager per approximately 15 carriers and 4 window and parcel clerks each (an office of 80 would have four managers total, covering opening, closing, days off and sick time). At least one manager in each office suffers through four hours of telecons each day......which could be easily cut to an hour without any loss in productivity.

The management problem is higher up. There are hordes of district and above personnel combing through data, formatting it to find an exception, then issuing hypothetical standards with exceptions being reamed on telecons. (some brain surgeon decided salaried employees can steal time from the company so they now prompt us to hurry loading and EOS time....won't happen with us btw) If routes are evaluated according to RRECS and carriers do the work and make dispatch, who really gives a flying fleck how long it takes, since the compensation is the same? (within 2080 even) The rural craft in our offices are not changing how long they take to load or EOS time, as they've been using the same amount of time since RRECS was established. Routes are mature, no changes. Same number of parcels on average.
 
If you look at pay stub on ePayroll you get both evaluated hours and actual hours worked. The actual is what your scanner provides RWHT, which management verifies off 4240.

In polling unofficially about two dozen of our carriers in two offices I've found an average of about a half hour under-time per route per day.

It would take a very minor tweak to standards to recapture for management an hour over two weeks. This would save payroll about $2000 a year per employee. Two hours would save $4000 annually per employee.

Because this is already tracked for us to see, it's a good assumption that management somewhere, district or national, is again looking at these figures (as they did prior to RRECS) and concluding that some tweak should be made to more align actual work hours with compensation.

Just sayin....
 
Our offices average one manager per approximately 15 carriers and 4 window and parcel clerks each (an office of 80 would have four managers total, covering opening, closing, days off and sick time). At least one manager in each office suffers through four hours of telecons each day......which could be easily cut to an hour without any loss in productivity.

The management problem is higher up. There are hordes of district and above personnel combing through data, formatting it to find an exception, then issuing hypothetical standards with exceptions being reamed on telecons. (some brain surgeon decided salaried employees can steal time from the company so they now prompt us to hurry loading and EOS time....won't happen with us btw) If routes are evaluated according to RRECS and carriers do the work and make dispatch, who really gives a flying fleck how long it takes, since the compensation is the same? (within 2080 even) The rural craft in our offices are not changing how long they take to load or EOS time, as they've been using the same amount of time since RRECS was established. Routes are mature, no changes. Same number of parcels on average.
The hilarious thing to me about all this is if I took the 9 hours a day like "I'm supposed to" I would have to work 2340 hours total in the year, which they absolutely will not allow me to do. This doesn't even factor in the fact that I've worked half of all my k days this year :ROFLMAO:.
 
The hilarious thing to me about all this is if I took the 9 hours a day like "I'm supposed to" I would have to work 2340 hours total in the year, which they absolutely will not allow me to do. This doesn't even factor in the fact that I've worked half of all my k days this year :ROFLMAO:.
I know. The whole system is convoluted. But, keep in mind that the AL hours don't count in that total. Of course, that's assuming you can even get AL which you probably cannot because you are ALREADY working about half of your K days.
 
If you look at pay stub on ePayroll you get both evaluated hours and actual hours worked. The actual is what your scanner provides RWHT, which management verifies off 4240.

In polling unofficially about two dozen of our carriers in two offices I've found an average of about a half hour under-time per route per day.

It would take a very minor tweak to standards to recapture for management an hour over two weeks. This would save payroll about $2000 a year per employee. Two hours would save $4000 annually per employee.

Because this is already tracked for us to see, it's a good assumption that management somewhere, district or national, is again looking at these figures (as they did prior to RRECS) and concluding that some tweak should be made to more align actual work hours with compensation.

Just sayin....
Follow your carriers or tell them safety is watching and watch that 30 mins undertime turn into 2+ hrs overtime. Fact is a lot of carriers do things that are not wholly unsafe but they're not supposed to do and currently USPS benefits while turning a blind eye to it.
 
That half hour average in @Old Fart example was at one time AT LEAST two or three times that figure. Often more. Anyway, point being is we have been under a constant onslaught since the '02 count. That, coupled with pathetic to no arguments at negotiations regarding under time, we are on track to literally work ourselves out of a job.
 
@BillyBoi I see you are a new one here. WELCOME ABOARD !!!! Also see that your are not hesitant to engage in discussions and offer input, perspectives, etc. That's an admirable trait. Have you seen this ?

 
I know. The whole system is convoluted. But, keep in mind that the AL hours don't count in that total. Of course, that's assuming you can even get AL which you probably cannot because you are ALREADY working about half of your K days.
I did take 3 days at the beginning of May that no one wanted to go do stuff with some family, but otherwise our calendar is booked af. I'll have to take a couple off for some non-profit activities later in the year but that shouldn't be a problem as I'll have documentation and it likely will be approved.
That half hour average in @Old Fart example was at one time AT LEAST two or three times that figure. Often more. Anyway, point being is we have been under a constant onslaught since the '02 count. That, coupled with pathetic to no arguments at negotiations regarding under time, we are on track to literally work ourselves out of a job.
When an incentive exists of course people are going to work towards it. Look at management bonuses for example. They'll lie cheat and steal any way they can to get the max amount, and they'll hop from office to office to add more to their pay as well. The rural craft is appealing because you basically take ownership of your work and are left alone to take care of your route. Take that away and you'll be surprised at what malicious compliance looks like for the ones that decide to stay. Auto repair techs are now refusing to do warranty work as it pays a fraction of the hours and when their jobs are threatened they just laugh in their bosses faces because there's no one that can replace them. We have 20 something rural routes in my office and we only have 3 RCAs and 3 PTFs to cover the entire office and a vacant route goes up in about a month so we will have 1 less. Any new highers think the current levels are impossible :LOL: and we don't get anywhere near as much amazon as we used to and the routes are freshly cut. This is not a job where we are easily replaced especially when new highers are looking for schedule stability.
 
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