tonsillitis
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and why arent we getting paid to deliver political mail?
how to get the union to get us paid delivering wsh/erlot again
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Could the political mail be one of the reasons route cuts are being delayed? I have been at least 1 or 2 every day for more than 3 weeks. I bet it's to their advantage to let us deliver all of that and then cut and freeze us for more than a year and we will get no compensation for all of that additional mail.
Missed a scan
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What do you mean, we are not getting paid to deliver political mail? How could that be possible.
if it comes in marked wsh, it is not being counted. step 4 has been filed.
conveniently, none came in loose during spring or fall mms.
eclot is being counted all year long.
Missed a scan
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more of, every advantage goes to the post office.
Rural-life-0323
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WTF! It's not April 1st, but tell me you all are lying!
In my state we've had an election, recall or proposition vote every year except one in the last 7 years. My entire office will get something and every route except for mine is WSS. Mine are always WSH due to my large amount of addresses and just enough are businesses that don't get them.
I'll get one WSS every 6 months but everything else is WSH. So between this and free 2nd trips I might as well increase the amount of charity donations on my taxes return.
Eff the union, how is this even legal with the department of labor?
In my state we've had an election, recall or proposition vote every year except one in the last 7 years. My entire office will get something and every route except for mine is WSS. Mine are always WSH due to my large amount of addresses and just enough are businesses that don't get them.
I'll get one WSS every 6 months but everything else is WSH. So between this and free 2nd trips I might as well increase the amount of charity donations on my taxes return.
Eff the union, how is this even legal with the department of labor?
Rural-life-0323
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I knew about the 400 DPS letter one. That one might impact me too and so infuriating!
No wonder I have 1,300+ addresses and only a 53% coverage %. I'm doing all the work, but not getting paid for it!!!! Which leads to the rhetorical question, how are they cheating us this much and still can't balance the budget!!!!!
This is the real crux of the problem. They wouldn't have to play so fast and loose if they could just do this one simple thing. Guess USPS will have to hire more middle management for a committee with daily meetings to never figure something out.
Rural-life-0323
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Our postmaster warns us about which routes can add any type of WSS as soon as we all get there.Oh so enter in a boxholder for wsh, got it
We're literally told "Only routes x, y and z have WSS. I better not see anyone else putting it in."
Surf
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Was actually wondering if we should be doing this.....I get "almost" full coverage political mailings.......Oh so enter in a boxholder for wsh, got it
tonsillitis
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gets 2-4 bundles if we have it.
Surf
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Just to confirm: PM in another office (that I know personally) is adamant that we ARE being credited for ALL political mail. I tend to believe what I read on here tho. He has zero reason to mislead me, other than the fact that he might be being told something different by his bosses. So.....are we, or are we not, being paid/credited for ALL political mail?
Never will know unless we can see everything for every day. That's the issue.
Source: Trust me bro (USPS official source)
You'd really have to pay attention to the endorsement(s) on the mailing(s). You know, ECRLOT, ECRWSH, etc. Also, look at the RADAR that is posted. You'll be able to know / tell from that.
Rt2mailman
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Here's an aspect I recently thought of, being that I am being frozen again for another 18 months.
Yes, when you have an adjustment after a mini count you are frozen for the next 12 months + those additional months until the next mini count after the 12 months have expired.
Looking at that information, until next April (or whenever the spring mini count is), no data from now until April will be used to determine my evaluation for the next time I will receive a 4240A/M. Data from April 2027 until April 2028 will be used and no other data collected will matter because only that time period will affect any route being frozen after this last mini count. If this is true, why work hard at making all my scans etc. I will receive the same evaluation in April of 2028 even if I have zero data from now until April of 2027. Sad, but they got us again.
Yes, when you have an adjustment after a mini count you are frozen for the next 12 months + those additional months until the next mini count after the 12 months have expired.
Looking at that information, until next April (or whenever the spring mini count is), no data from now until April will be used to determine my evaluation for the next time I will receive a 4240A/M. Data from April 2027 until April 2028 will be used and no other data collected will matter because only that time period will affect any route being frozen after this last mini count. If this is true, why work hard at making all my scans etc. I will receive the same evaluation in April of 2028 even if I have zero data from now until April of 2027. Sad, but they got us again.
U caught my attention
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Someone correct me if my understanding is wrong. They are also somehow determining the cost of universal service with all this data we are collecting. Its a weird web of uncertainty in terms of how and what data is captured. How I understand the data we help collect, it is ultimately used to determine our cost contribution to the usps that will result in product pricing and the cost to the nation for universal service. I dont know what they do with frozen route data in terms of how they determine our cost to them.
So, in my opinion, this data capture should be pretty darn accurate, systematically followed, transparent and verifiable. If it isnt than garbage in = garbage out. We are each individually responsible for proper data collection for the common good and sustainability of our crafts involvement within the system. The data collection has always seemed bigger to me than our future routes evaluation that results in our individual pay.
Looking from this perspective, it kind of then makes one see overburdened and substandard routes in a new light. It also made me see my actions and the proper data collection matter. Improper volune collection that results in under collection or over collection will ultimately filter to a costing structure that will determine future pricing and service.
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U caught my attention
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I suppose they still have their own volume collectively with a few differences that rrecs scans would pull up (wss, boxholder, unscan, load, etc) That could likely still be factored into the bigger volune picture. We seem to be figured at a hourly cost in reference to the set salary we recieve, so likely the costing they do isnt important to be route specific. Although, theres so much data, I am certain some kind of volune/cost story is told on a singulr toute level. If all thats true then the big picture volume to hourly (likely productive hours) is all that matters. But I am just guessing and really likely dont know what I am talking about. Just dumb stuff that rattles around in my brain that shouldnt be there.
Way above my pay grade thoughts.
