Another Mapping Question (Map Included)

TheDude · Jan 31, 2022

Yes another question regarding how this mapping will handle a situation.

The picture included is a spot on my route. The yellow dot by the road is the mailbox. The yellow dot halfway up the lane is where I park to take parcels to the door. However, the parking spot is only about 200 feet from the mailbox(straight line, one way) but unless they want us backing up that curved driveway, you need to go further up the drive and do a turnaround. The driving distance of that maneuver results in a round-trip of about 650 feet round-trip vs the 400 feet for the backing maneuver.

What do experts? What do?

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Morty · Jan 31, 2022

I would park where the yellow mailbox dot is. Blocking the driveway from anyone entering or exiting. And walk it up.

She mails rural · Jan 31, 2022

Oh my again more work added on thats craziness. I'd say map the whole road with the loop before you stop at the house getting the driving distance should help in walking distance time. If you got a 70lb box thats as wide as your arms why would you want to walk it 200 feet. Its one thing if we get paid for weight

Worve · Jan 31, 2022

Personally it looks like a safe spot to do a single u turn by the curved lines. Then drive back towards the house and park at the yellow dot there. Now if they only get occasional packages mailbox. If daily or Lots of heavy items by the house IMO. Have to think not just of the money but the wear and tear on your body lugging heavy items greater distances.

TheDude · Jan 31, 2022

She mails rural said:
Oh my again more work added on thats craziness. I'd say map the whole road with the loop before you stop at the house getting the driving distance should help in walking distance time. If you got a 70lb box thats as wide as your arms why would you want to walk it 200 feet. Its one thing if we get paid for weight

Worve said:
Personally it looks like a safe spot to do a single u turn by the curved lines. Then drive back towards the house and park at the yellow dot there. Now if they only get occasional packages mailbox. If daily or Lots of heavy items by the house IMO. Have to think not just of the money but the wear and tear on your body lugging heavy items greater distances.

Most times I do the loop before I stop and deliver the parcels on the return. Works pretty good as the van is on the correct side at that point.

The problem is, I don't think it's possible with the 4 point mapping method to map turning around of any sort. I'm under the assumption you mark a park point(as in a single dot) for where you park to deliver the parcels.

gotstamps · Jan 31, 2022

TheDude said:
Most times I do the loop before I stop and deliver the parcels on the return. Works pretty good as the van is on the correct side at that point.

The problem is, I don't think it's possible with the 4 point mapping method to map turning around of any sort. I'm under the assumption you mark a park point(as in a single dot) for where you park to deliver the parcels.

Your assumption is correct. Regardless of turnaround, where you park for mail & park for door is the measured distance for driving Parcel to Door. Your walk distance is Park for door to Door point.
The only way to get the full length of the driveway as credit would be to park at the “turnaround“.

She mails rural · Jan 31, 2022

I say have customers put their boxes at there houses or something because stopping at the turn around is just craziness just to get walking distance again killing yourself

gotstamps · Jan 31, 2022

She mails rural said:
I say have customers put their boxes at there houses or something because stopping at the turn around is just craziness just to get walking distance again killing yourself

That would make it a “Hardship“. We don’t get mileage nor time right now. Regardless of the “turnaround”, we’ll be getting a 52-week average of the Parcel at Door times anyways so we are NOT going to be paid for Mile we drive nor foot we walk,

She mails rural · Jan 31, 2022

She mails rural said:
I say have customers put their boxes at there houses or something because stopping at the turn around is just craziness just to get walking distance again killing yourself

If it was a ton of credit I'd say maybe but good heavens ummm nope

She mails rural · Jan 31, 2022

That looked like a rd to me more than. 5 in and out of was guessing not a driveway oh must not apply anymore either

She mails rural · Jan 31, 2022

These old rules we lived by are gonna be so hard to break, that's been the hardest part in this whole process for me. First life as I knew it stopped with covid now what's left of life has stopped again with rrecs. It's been so tragic

psd181 · Feb 1, 2022

TheDude said:
Yes another question regarding how this mapping will handle a situation.

The picture included is a spot on my route. The yellow dot by the road is the mailbox. The yellow dot halfway up the lane is where I park to take parcels to the door. However, the parking spot is only about 200 feet from the mailbox(straight line, one way) but unless they want us backing up that curved driveway, you need to go further up the drive and do a turnaround. The driving distance of that maneuver results in a round-trip of about 650 feet round-trip vs the 400 feet for the backing maneuver.

What do experts? What do?

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I have several just like this one. The manager working with us said to put the park at the 1/2 way point (turnaround). Ohterwise, you will not be credited with driving the whole driveway. BTW the walking time isn't very much anyway so no big deal walking 50 feet vs 200.

TheDude · Feb 1, 2022

psd181 said:
I have several just like this one. The manager working with us said to put the park at the 1/2 way point (turnaround). Ohterwise, you will not be credited with driving the whole driveway. BTW the walking time isn't very much anyway so no big deal walking 50 feet vs 200.

That's what I'll probably end up doing.

Morty · Feb 1, 2022

psd181 said:
I have several just like this one. The manager working with us said to put the park at the 1/2 way point (turnaround). Ohterwise, you will not be credited with driving the whole driveway. BTW the walking time isn't very much anyway so no big deal walking 50 feet vs 200.

I question when management "knows" what's best for us. Especially when no one in the NRLCA can't answer the basics.

Don't quote me on this, but isn't the pay difference between walking and driving a decimal position. Like if you have 50 miles of driveway(like I do) walking pays 50 miles. Move the decimal and driving pays 5 miles. That's no small difference to me.

There's already procedures in place to add miles. I'm gonna call it now. USPS will use this mileage thing to force cluster boxes. Then you'll have a 50 mile route with ema and 50 additional miles everyday without ema, but at least you'll get like 10 seconds a mile pay.

TheDude · Feb 1, 2022

Morty said:
I would park where the yellow mailbox dot is. Blocking the driveway from anyone entering or exiting. And walk it up.

I like this idea for these confusing or shortchanged mapping locations. The issue that concerns me is the fact that I already have hundreds of trips up some of these driveways where I'm probably moving at a pretty fast clip, like 20mph or so.

Due to the ineptitude of the USPS, I doubt they would even be looking for such a thing but I'm always astounded by the lengths they will go to lessen our pay while turning a blind eye to the serious causes of waste.

gotstamps · Feb 2, 2022

Chickenlover said:
If you have a building where you deliver inside.
How do you plot the interior delivery point of that building?
Does it allow you to plot onto the rooftop the approximate spot of the mailroom/cbu area?

By rooftop approximation. This where intimate knowledge by the Carrier comes in handy.

DaveKelln · Feb 2, 2022

Too bad you don't work for FedEx. Then the answer would be to toss it into a puddle at the end of the driveway.

oi veh. · Feb 2, 2022

psd181 said:
I have several just like this one. The manager working with us said to put the park at the 1/2 way point (turnaround). Ohterwise, you will not be credited with driving the whole driveway. BTW the walking time isn't very much anyway so no big deal walking 50 feet vs 200.

this does not make sense to me. why not drive the whole way up, mark the park point there and then indicate door (or whatever).

would you not then get credit for the full driveway?

this crap is ridiculously confusing. at least to me...

gotstamps · Feb 2, 2022

Chickenlover said:
Seriously, rooftop approximation kind of sounds crazy. I haven't mapped yet, will the program take rooftop "front door"locations?
I used to deliver to an apartment complex. From the park point I would go inside the building and deliver pkgs in front of each individual door. To say I deliver to the outside door is not accurate...the straight line to a rooftop point might give a better idea of where I was delivering. Stairs/Elevators aren't considered in Rrecs....so is the rooftop "front door" the only way to get it close to correct? With businesses inside we receive dismount distance because we go in every day; parcel delivery has no dismount distance, we are depending on the straight line distance we choose in mapping.

Some apartments do not “peak” nor have patios to see from a “birdseye view”. If the doors are interior then approximate as best as possible. 3rd-floor doors have the same distance credit as 1st floor since it is a straight line from park point to door point from above. The Scanners do not measure distance nor does it count steps.
Parcels to the door will have Door credit +drive credit + walk credit. It is what it is but at least it’s better than what we haven’t had in the past.

Dumbassclerksyndrome · Feb 3, 2022

Am I the only one who feels like this a battle brewing? I am going to be very FIRM on all my stops, number of boxes, and whatever else presents itself. What happens if carriers will not sign off on mapping?