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New Miscellaneous Activity Worksheet?

magnolia72

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The PM at my office is refusing to give me miscellaneous time for waiting to be let in and out of gates on my route. He sent me this attachment which I can’t make out but it doesn’t seem to match the one posted on here from 2022. Does anyone know if they have changed the MTW?
 

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gates are in mapping. rrecs guide says 10.83 seconds per gate. That's per the April 2022 "NRLCA Comprehensive Guide to RRECS - Revised April 2022 Final.pdf"
 
gates are in mapping. rrecs guide says 10.83 seconds per gate. That's per the April 2022 "NRLCA Comprehensive Guide to RRECS - Revised April 2022 Final.pdf"
I spoke with the ADR yesterday and she said that waiting to be let in and out through a gate by a security guard would fall under miscellaneous time. The PM says it's "built in" and today he says that I would only get miscellaneous time if it were an authorized dismount. Thank you for your reply Friar.
 
I didn't know we'd get time for waiting, but I don't normally wait (ok, so I technically do because I hit the buzzer, then when the buzzer sound stops after ~3 seconds I'm allowed in), so I never thought about it. Before rrecs on my old route when I'd hit a buzzer to be let in, after 20 seconds or so of no reply I'd just walk away. :)

Mine is an authorized dismount (and in my mapping), you must be talking about a gate at a non-dismount (parcels/signatures). I never thought about that.
 
I didn't know we'd get time for waiting, but I don't normally wait (ok, so I technically do because I hit the buzzer, then when the buzzer sound stops after ~3 seconds I'm allowed in), so I never thought about it. Before rrecs on my old route when I'd hit a buzzer to be let in, after 20 seconds or so of no reply I'd just walk away. :)

Mine is an authorized dismount (and in my mapping), you must be talking about a gate at a non-dismount (parcels/signatures). I never thought about that.
These gates are also in my mapping but when I get to these companies gates, a guard has to open the gate for me to drive to their mailbox.
 
All of mine require arrow key to open box then open door/gate. They are dismounts 1 is dismount twice, I got misc time for all of these locations.

I would dispute this and contact local rep. I hope you have timed events for every single day at every location with times you arrived.
 
Do we get any misc. time for waiting excessively at traffic lights? It added 4 extra minutes to my day..
I believe it's "built-in" with the traffic control point in mapping. There is also this nonsense: "Analysis of the output from this study resulted in an estimate of 3.41% for unavoidable delays while driving. As a result, the entries for standard drive times in the matrix include a 3.41 percent allowance for unavoidable delays."

It's always worth an attempt to claim it. The worst they can say is no.
 
Where is the magical “ built in” list? I would love to check that out.

"Built-in" in the sense that all TCP's are mapped and credited. Are the credited times wholly insufficient and ridiculously so? Absolutely! But the 12.3 seconds is "built-in" (as is the laughable 3.41% "unavoidable delays"). So it begs the question: as ridiculous as the 3-seconds per stop sign is, do we time ourselves at each one and claim MISC time for anything over? Or is the solution not so much trying to make up for the insufficient standards by claiming the difference at each TCP but rather fixing the standards themselves?

Again, I would claim the time and put the onus on management to say "no".
 
Do we get any misc. time for waiting excessively at traffic lights? It added 4 extra minutes to my day..
Never hurts to try heck I did it went no where 😂. Doesn’t mean others might not get it. Only thing similar was on old aux when I ran it. Everyday I got stopped by buses dropping off kids added 15 minutes a day that did get misc time. Keep in mind for that occasion I timed it for weeks before mms and got pre approval.
 
In the ” RRECS vs Column 17 Comparison “document, #15 speaks to this if needing to access a key. It can be argued that waiting for a guard to open a gate is a required duty not paid anywhere else in RRECS. The gate TCP serves the same purpose as the RR Crossing TCP; it pays us for slowing down as we go through the gates or over the tracks.
 
"Built-in" in the sense that all TCP's are mapped and credited. Are the credited times wholly insufficient and ridiculously so? Absolutely! But the 12.3 seconds is "built-in" (as is the laughable 3.41% "unavoidable delays"). So it begs the question: as ridiculous as the 3-seconds per stop sign is, do we time ourselves at each one and claim MISC time for anything over? Or is the solution not so much trying to make up for the insufficient standards by claiming the difference at each TCP but rather fixing the standards themselves?

Again, I would claim the time and put the onus on management to say "no".
Good point I think I will go in and ask the postmaster if those people called him yet. when he ask what people I will say the ones that I keep pulling out infront of at the stop signs, and when he says why would you do that I will reply because RRECS says I only have three seconds to get through the stop sign and the only way I can do that is just pull out infront of people and make them slam on their brakes, it seems to be really ticking them off. then just walk away and leave him not knowing if I really am or not.
I do not feel it is my fault their ridiculous system and rules make it so easy to torment them.
 
Your union said they were wait time, so sounds like you call union back and file a grievance.
This is the part that makes my blood pressure rise! The PM knew about this issue since the first week of the count when I reminded him about getting MT for waiting at the gates and refused to say anything to me until I brought it to his attention that he had not given me credit for MT. This could have been taken care of before the end of the count and now that it's over, who knows how long it could take to be resolved.
 
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