NALC and USPS reach tentative agreement

DB.Cooper · Oct 27, 2024

ATCBigE said:
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Then you just try to lie using a person step raise in your equation to say, you will be 20% raise. What a joke.

That's a big part of the USPS strategy.... they withhold raises and COLAS and then delay contract awards, so when you add all the stuff withheld, then they can come up with artificially exaggerated raises.... and then all you need is to get some union peeps to say SHOW ME THE $$$$ MONEY!!!! And BOOM.... 90% of peeps vote for it.... wth.... it's smoke and mirrors, bait and switch, all rolled together with the ole hide the salami game... they'll out maneuver these so-call in-bed with USPS unions every time.... js.... fuhgeddaboudit....

neciat · Oct 27, 2024

I was looking for something to help someone..............................yeah.............I know, I just retired but that does NOT mean I laid down my sword. Anyway, I stumbled on to this from The Postal Operations Manual ;

411.2 Objectives
The principal objectives of Postal Service compensation policies are to
provide the following:
a. Compensation for Postal Service work comparable to compensation
paid for comparable levels of work in the U.S. economy’s private
sector.
b. Compensation that will attract, motivate, and retain qualified and
capable personnel.
c. Adequate and reasonable differentials in rates of pay between
employees in the clerk and carrier grades in the line work force and
supervisory and other managerial personnel.
d. Effective administration of salary expenditures.
e. Recognition of and reward for differences in individual ability and
performance.
f. Uniform methods for establishing and applying salary rates to
employment, placement, promotion, and other changes in the status of
employees

"They" CLEARLY have NOT read the manual or did and are just ignoring it like "they" do pretty much everything else.

DB.Cooper · Oct 27, 2024

It's not like the NRLCA's contract is not also already expired.... where are all of the updates and predictions on this expired contract???? Maybe some word in about 18 or 20 months I guess.... wth.... any other real union would've been on STRIKE LONG AGO.... but these feckless postal so-called unions... js ..... fuhgeddaboudit....

Gotrope · Oct 27, 2024

neciat said:
I was looking for something to help someone..............................yeah.............I know, I just retired but that does NOT mean I laid down my sword. Anyway, I stumbled on to this from The Postal Operations Manual ;

411.2 Objectives
The principal objectives of Postal Service compensation policies are to
provide the following:
a. Compensation for Postal Service work comparable to compensation
paid for comparable levels of work in the U.S. economy’s private
sector.
b. Compensation that will attract, motivate, and retain qualified and
capable personnel.
c. Adequate and reasonable differentials in rates of pay between
employees in the clerk and carrier grades in the line work force and
supervisory and other managerial personnel.
d. Effective administration of salary expenditures.
e. Recognition of and reward for differences in individual ability and
performance.
f. Uniform methods for establishing and applying salary rates to
employment, placement, promotion, and other changes in the status of
employees

"They" CLEARLY have NOT read the manual or did and are just ignoring it like "they" do pretty much everything else.

I actually referenced that passage many times in workplace violence grievances and craft disparaging behavior. Maybe 3 higher labor mgrs had ever seen it prior to grievances.
Remember, USPS doesn't train their employees...even mgmt ones.

Gotrope · Oct 27, 2024

DB.Cooper said:
It's not like the NRLCA's contract is not also already expired.... where are all of the updates and predictions on this expired contract???? Maybe some word in about 18 or 20 months I guess.... wth.... any other real union would've been on STRIKE LONG AGO.... but these feckless postal so-called unions... js ..... fuhgeddaboudit....

The nice thing about retirement is nothing really gets you fired up about failings anymore.

DB.Cooper · Oct 27, 2024

Gotrope said:
The nice thing about retirement is nothing really gets you fired up about failings anymore.

I know.... LOL.... just another reason to be glad to be out the door.... altho, in theory, they could owe us 50 cents for the time since the last contract expired until our retired date.... SHOW ME THE $$$$ MONEY!!!!!

DB.Cooper · Oct 28, 2024

Saw this on Reddit.... LOL... what does B.F.N. stand for.... BIG Funking NO!!!!

Surprise! · Oct 28, 2024

U caught my attention said:
Why would any employer want to pay employees for unworked hours?

We are truely stuck in a dysfunctional cycle.

Sounds as if doesn't it.
In the past this method has saved the Postal Service a ton of money. Rural mail carriers have delivered mail to their boxes for less time and money than city carriers. If all else was equal it should be the other way around because of the extra distance Rural Carriers must travel.

Surprise! · Oct 28, 2024

lbpd16 said:
When you can’t strike you have no leverage and you get crappy contracts. Its really just that simple.

Did the Texas Police strike for their pay level?

DB.Cooper · Oct 28, 2024

NALC demanding right to STRIKE.... could this signal 1970 redux????

Surprise! · Oct 28, 2024

I am getting the impression that a number of retired carriers would like to make a fight out of this. As retired carriers we should be a harder to harass.

Surprise! · Oct 28, 2024

DB.Cooper said:
NALC demanding right to STRIKE.... could this signal 1970 redux????

I believe six years until job security is also on the table. For us that would be six years after becoming regular. Strike could easily be the more promising bet.

DB.Cooper · Oct 28, 2024

Surprise! said:
I believe six years until job security is also on the table. For us that would be six years after becoming regular. Strike could easily be the more promising bet.

I've always said, if it happened again, it'd be NALC or APWU that sparked it.... maybe a pre-Christmas STRIKE!!!!!

DB.Cooper · Oct 28, 2024

Could the reference to "makes us sick" be a subliminal message for a sick out????

Surprise! · Oct 28, 2024

DB.Cooper said:
I've always said, if it happened again, it'd be NALC or APWU that sparked it.... maybe a pre-Christmas STRIKE!!!!!

Do you mean a pre-Christmas strike or a Christmas strike? Santa's slaves appear to be angry this year. May need a few more days before Christmas to decompress.

I have seen to many people want to join the fight because they are angry and join the crowd for emotional safety. I have seen people get hurt that way because they had no idea of the risk they are taking.

neciat · Oct 28, 2024

Well, after seeing these recent results from other unions , it's no wonder there is the mindset that exists.

Kaiser Permanente: 75,000 workers won a contract that included a 21% wage increase over four years

Disney World: Over 32,000 hourly workers won a 37% wage increase over five years
Los Angeles school district: 30,000 workers won a 30% wage increase over four years
American Airlines: 15,000 pilots won a 46% pay increase over four years
UPS: 340,000 Teamster members won a $7.50 an hour raise over five years

Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis: The United Auto Workers union ratified a historic contract that included pay increases ranging from 30% to 160%

ATCBigE · Oct 29, 2024

DB.Cooper said:
Could the reference to "makes us sick" be a subliminal message for a sick out????

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The only thing I don't agree with completely is the all career workforce.

Pay needs to be better.
OT should be voluntary.
Steps should be shorter

I think they should change the probation period from 2 years to 1 year. There has to be time to make sure that the person can actually work as CCA. If you start career and they are POS, then it becomes 2500 times harder to fire.

If they do that, for rural side, I would like to see something like if you work xxxx hours a year. You become career as long as you work a minimum xxxx hours in a year.

Surprise! · Oct 29, 2024

If the city carriers vote down their contract what are we going to do? Will we organize to get our contract voted down also?

DB.Cooper · Oct 29, 2024

Surprise! said:
Do you mean a pre-Christmas strike or a Christmas strike? Santa's slaves appear to be angry this year. May need a few more days before Christmas to decompress.

I have seen to many people want to join the fight because they are angry and join the crowd for emotional safety. I have seen people get hurt that way because they had no idea of the risk they are taking.

I've been rooting for a STRIKE for 20+ years.... go figure, I retire and now maybe there will be one.... Vinnie Sombrotto is smiling down on seeing this pushback on their BS contract....