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Door Misc

Tor said:
Do I select Door Misc when I need to go to the door to pickup packages?
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This is what I do...

ANY trip to the door to pick up a package/s is a doormisc, if items are stacked in the customers own container, returning their container to the door is a doormisc, attempted certified letter delivery with no one home, doormisc, postage due, no one home, doormisc, returning keys the customer left in their cbu box, doormisc.

Basically any trip that isn't standard.
 
MadDog said:
This is what I do...

ANY trip to the door to pick up a package/s is a doormisc, if items are stacked in the customers own container, returning their container to the door is a doormisc, attempted certified letter delivery with no one home, doormisc, postage due, no one home, doormisc, returning keys the customer left in their cbu box, doormisc.

Basically any trip that isn't standard.
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So you’re padding your route with DoorMisc? The Keys a Postage Due (if leaving a notice) would fall under DoorMisc. Signature Items & Pickups already account for Door delivery or pickup.
Falsifying RRECS scans is being flagged and investigated.
 
What about investigating Carriers that aren't doing the Rrecs scans????
Some carriers are not adding all the volumes consistently or at all. Not capturing things at the correct time purposefully or unknowingly. It is frustrating to know some routes are not getting proper volume factor....their territory isnt fairly evaluated and when evaluations, adjustments happen, or routes go up for bid the current carriers sharing the route or the next carrier gets screwed.
 
ATCBigE said:
Here is the thing.....

I have no issue if certain stuff is kept away from people, but when your pay system completely changes, EVERYONE SHOULD GET THE BASIC INFO. Do you not agree on that at least? EVERYONE should get the info on the new pay system and take it how it is. The company should provide or the union and if company doesn't provide it, then union needs to force company to do it. I didn't see any of that. Oh also I remember when RRECS 1st started and getting a new sheet about every other day, how the !@$!$ am I suppose to know which one is right?

Now if the union wants to do classes like they did for the old mail count and allow union only members, that is fine with me. (OH I AM IN THE UNION FYI) It is completely wrong to just shun people out from not knowing how they get paid. We are a craft as a whole, and to withhold info about the pay from certain people is wrong. I mean why should only some people know how the pay works??? I would think you would want the best pay possible for your carrier. Instead our union doesn't care, and oh yeah while "mail volume is down", I AM ONLY PERSON GETTING MAJOR PAY CUT. Only 9k in 2 years while losing 13% coverage on curb & 21% on CBU, which is 2 hours on my route. What union is perfectly fine watching their employees losing that much pay?

The union is sitting back getting more and more money from each year while may pay is continuous going down.
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Ask the management. You are an employee. They have the information . You chose not to be a union member. Don’t bother them . It is you who strained the relationship with them . It takes money to provide many services to members
 
jsthere723 said:
Ask the management. You are an employee. They have the information . You chose not to be a union member. Don’t bother them . It is you who strained the relationship with them . It takes money to provide many services to members
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Did you not read my post??? I am in the union.

The point is you can't change the pay and not explain it to people.

What I am saying is that THE UNION SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE BASIC INFO out to people. Not just this stupid 1 page sheet that we were getting every !@#!#ING DAY so now you don't know which is what.

Now if the union wants to HOLD CLASSES WITH MORE IN-DEPTH INFO FOR ITS MEMBERS, then I have NO ISSUES with it. You pay into the union for that stuff. But the basic info on the pay should 100% have been explained to everyone and whether they take the info and use is their choice. Because it got so !@#@%ING CONFUSING what sheet is right and what is what.
 
ATCBigE said:
Did you not read my post??? I am in the union.

The point is you can't change the pay and not explain it to people.

What I am saying is that THE UNION SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE BASIC INFO out to people. Not just this stupid 1 page sheet that we were getting every !@#!#ING DAY so now you don't know which is what.

Now if the union wants to HOLD CLASSES WITH MORE IN-DEPTH INFO FOR ITS MEMBERS, then I have NO ISSUES with it. You pay into the union for that stuff. But the basic info on the pay should 100% have been explained to everyone and whether they take the info and use is their choice. Because it got so !@#@%ING CONFUSING what sheet is right and what is what.
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Ask the management . It is their responsibility to train . 3 years into RRECS people should be more informed. If you are in union take initiative. Go to their site , obtain information, join union meetings. You will be better informed. It’s your pay . By the way , it’s rural craft . Sometimes you will find people in union who are not exactly Einstein. And we know about management as it is
 
blue_goose1348 said:
The percentage is set in the National Constitution and does not change until it is brought to the National Convention and voted to do so.
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blue_goose1348 said:
Dues are paid on percentage of pay. If your pay goes down the amount you pay for dues goes down.
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What I said was they pretty much raise it every single year so I will be giving the lousy union more money.

OH SPEAKING OF WHICH.

When I was 46K, union dues were 32,78 a PP.

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When I was 45K, union dues were 32.78 a PP.

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When I am 44K, union dues are 32.78 a PP.

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So this year I have lost almost 4400 a year and still pay the SAME EXACT DUES
 
ATCBigE said:
Did you not read my post??? I am in the union.

The point is you can't change the pay and not explain it to people.

What I am saying is that THE UNION SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE BASIC INFO out to people. Not just this stupid 1 page sheet that we were getting every !@#!#ING DAY so now you don't know which is what.

Now if the union wants to HOLD CLASSES WITH MORE IN-DEPTH INFO FOR ITS MEMBERS, then I have NO ISSUES with it. You pay into the union for that stuff. But the basic info on the pay should 100% have been explained to everyone and whether they take the info and use is their choice. Because it got so !@#@%ING CONFUSING what sheet is right and what is what.
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Your 2nd sentence & 3rd sentence negate each other.

The Union did not change the carriers pay. The USPS did with the new method of determining a route’s evaluation of which was forced by an Arbitrator. Training of employees is the responsibility of the Post Office. Mgmt handed out the 1-pg sheet as part of their training.
The Union distributed a ton of information for the members on RRECS. It is the Union’s responsibility to REPRESENT all carriers whether member or not but it is not their job to educate them.
The main reason I am a member is for information that I cannot get from mgmt. Having a “voice” is my other reason. There are a lot of things that I do not agree with in the PO & in the Union but at least I can argue on any point that I want & can gain a bit of education by being a member.
 
gotstamps said:
Your 2nd sentence & 3rd sentence negate each other.

The Union did not change the carriers pay. The USPS did with the new method of determining a route’s evaluation of which was forced by an Arbitrator. Training of employees is the responsibility of the Post Office. Mgmt handed out the 1-pg sheet as part of their training.
The Union distributed a ton of information for the members on RRECS. It is the Union’s responsibility to REPRESENT all carriers whether member or not but it is not their job to educate them.
The main reason I am a member is for information that I cannot get from mgmt. Having a “voice” is my other reason. There are a lot of things that I do not agree with in the PO & in the Union but at least I can argue on any point that I want & can gain a bit of education by being a member.
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But here is my thing.

We were getting new sheets on stuff almost every day. Kinda hard to keep track of stuff when it is continuous changing as it was.

Also I am not meaning they changed the carrier's pay in that way. I mean how we got paid changed from previous mail counts. It was new method of how we got pay for what we do was based on year of work and scans compared to 2 week count. All I think is that the whole thing was !@##!@ING MESS. They kept giving new sheets almost every day. How am I suppose to keep track? I just feel as if you change the way carriers get paid, it should have been done much better.

Such as once they finally settle on what things were, that union and USPS agree on sheet to give to carriers to show them that is that this is the way things are right before RRECS was implemented. I mean as RCA before I got regular, I had NO !@#$@#%ING CLUE how to do the mapping stuff.

I know that in a way you can lead horse to water, but they won't drink, which is some of these rural carriers with RRECS.
 
whats carzy about all of this is how many people in our craft are doing something different in all situations. there is no clarity, and its not the union , who should have trained us? the usps should, and we should have been paid for it. hence why no training. This was my training do these 6 scans. punch in and out, let us know when you go to lunch, and then return to the office,THAT IS THE TRUTH. They scammed me for 45 minutes a day for 6 months. at that time and still now the union did not know what rrecs even did or was. Still when i encounter things there is no clear answer, and if there is its not in my favor, SURRENDER union rep told me to the usps they were told to do. and they do.
 
damifiknow said:
whats carzy about all of this is how many people in our craft are doing something different in all situations. there is no clarity, and its not the union , who should have trained us? the usps should, and we should have been paid for it. hence why no training. This was my training do these 6 scans. punch in and out, let us know when you go to lunch, and then return to the office,THAT IS THE TRUTH. They scammed me for 45 minutes a day for 6 months. at that time and still now the union did not know what rrecs even did or was. Still when i encounter things there is no clear answer, and if there is its not in my favor, SURRENDER union rep told me to the usps they were told to do. and they do.
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That is what I am trying to about this whole thing. Everything is different in different areas, but yet we already implemented it and no real answers to stuff.

ZERO TRAINING (Well sorry maybe 5 mins of training). I blame both union and USPS. Union for letting USPS get off easy with the "1 sheet" as training and claiming the whole 6 scans. USPS for stealing millions from us carriers and cheating carriers.

As I said in my previous, the union and USPS should have gotten together and once things were solved and figured out what they meant, they should have told us how to do things and have a guide on how to do things. Instead we were left to figure it out ourselves. Anyone else remember when all of a sudden unscanparcel was shoe box or bigger? That's my issue. Changing things randomly.
 
Rt2mailman said:
Most rural carriers that don't care enough to be in our union, also don't care enough to do the scans necessary to increase route evaluation. Knowing the information would do nothing to help.
The USPS is responsible to provide carriers with ALL NECESSARY equipment and information to do their job. If carriers outside the union need information and are refused that information by the Usps, they can file a grievance and the union will represent them.
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Sure theyll represent em....right out of a job. Union SUCKS 95% of the time....the other 5% of the time they are asleep at the wheel....that's why we've rrec'ed...🙄
Wish in one hand, and....well you know...🤣😂😆🤣😂😆🤠
 
Section 6. Dues. Annual National Per Capita dues shall
be:
A. Regular, PTF and Associate - 1.3% of the annual
salary of a 40 hour step 1 from table two of the
current rural carrier evaluated schedule in effect;
B. Leave Replacements (Substitutes, RCR, RCA,
Auxiliary, and ARC) - .450 (thousandths) % of the
annual salary of a 40 hour step 1 from table two
of the current rural carrier evaluated schedule in
effect;
C. Retired and Retired Associate - $60.00
 
ATCBigE said:
That is what I am trying to about this whole thing. Everything is different in different areas, but yet we already implemented it and no real answers to stuff.

ZERO TRAINING (Well sorry maybe 5 mins of training). I blame both union and USPS. Union for letting USPS get off easy with the "1 sheet" as training and claiming the whole 6 scans. USPS for stealing millions from us carriers and cheating carriers.

As I said in my previous, the union and USPS should have gotten together and once things were solved and figured out what they meant, they should have told us how to do things and have a guide on how to do things. Instead we were left to figure it out ourselves. Anyone else remember when all of a sudden unscanparcel was shoe box or bigger? That's my issue. Changing things randomly.
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This was true when RRECS was implemented and sadly still true today...new employees are not getting trained properly either as we have asked them all when they start and most dont know nothing but the basic scans and have no idea what the others mean. I am thankful for this site and all the people on it whom have guided me thru the proper scans and what are correct and/or incorrect to the best knowledge known...what I learned I mostly learned on here. RRECS still has many many issues that i think will never be fixed or have CLEAR answers to. To me the biggest is having subs or anyone for that matter on a route when regular is not on for those scans to count for data. To me clearly it should not and only go into the data collected ONLY when the regular is working.
 
gotstamps said:
So you’re padding your route with DoorMisc? The Keys a Postage Due (if leaving a notice) would fall under DoorMisc. Signature Items & Pickups already account for Door delivery or pickup.
Falsifying RRECS scans is being flagged and investigated.
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Am I though? Couldn't i just as easily use trip to door when i make more than one trip when picking up packages? What do i input when i have a pickup slip that says "in mailbox" when it isn't in the mailbox and i go to their door to get it? And do pickups carry the data to differentiate pickup at box or door?
 
MadDog said:
Am I though? Couldn't i just as easily use trip to door when i make more than one trip when picking up packages? What do i input when i have a pickup slip that says "in mailbox" when it isn't in the mailbox and i go to their door to get it? And do pickups carry the data to differentiate pickup at box or door?
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Serious question, any answers?
 
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